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About this video

• Video Title: Dave Smith | Nick Fuentes | Part Of The Problem 1313
• Channel: Dave Smith
• Speakers: Dave Smith, Nick Fuentes
• Duration: 03:38:15

Overview

This video is a podcast interview between Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes. They discuss a wide range of topics, including their history with each other, the cultural and political landscape, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, freedom of speech, and criticisms of prominent political figures and movements. The conversation also touches on issues of identity, race, and the impact of social media on public discourse.

Key takeaways

• Dave Smith's History with Nick Fuentes: Smith recounts their previous podcast appearances and the public reaction to their association, noting a shared audience overlap and the perceived need for them to discuss issues together.
• Cultural Transformation and Media Landscape: Both speakers discuss the changing political climate, the role of new media versus traditional media, and the impact of deplatforming on political discourse. They reflect on how censorship and the "woke" movement have evolved and are now being challenged.
• Israel and Foreign Policy: A significant portion of the conversation centers on criticism of Israel and its influence on US foreign policy. They explore different perspectives within the "Israel critical" movement and the political fallout for those who express such views.
• Political Figures and Movements: The discussion covers figures like Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, and Donald Trump, analyzing their stances and the broader implications for conservative and nationalist movements.
• Identity and Power Dynamics: Both speakers delve into the role of identity, particularly in relation to race and religion, in shaping political discourse and power structures. They examine how these identities influence national interests and intergroup relations.
• Free Speech and Censorship: The conversation highlights concerns about censorship, the weaponization of accusations (like "fed" or "anti-semite"), and the struggle to maintain open dialogue in a polarized environment.
• Trump's Presidency and Future Politics: They analyze Trump's presidency, his appeal, his perceived failures, and the future of the Republican party, including potential candidates like JD Vance, with a focus on America First policies.
• The Holocaust and Jewish Identity: A portion of the conversation addresses the centrality of the Holocaust to Jewish identity and its political implications, with varying perspectives on its historical accuracy and its role in shaping discourse.
• The Future of Political Movements: Both speakers express concerns about the potential for increased conflict and division, while also acknowledging the shifting political landscape and the opportunities for new voices to emerge.

Here's a timestamped breakdown of the topics discussed in the video:

• 00:00:00 - 00:06:00: Introduction and Dave Smith's history with Nick Fuentes. Discussion about their previous podcast appearances and the public's reaction.
• 00:06:00 - 00:28:00: Analysis of the backlash to figures like Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson, and the differing standards applied to individuals in public discourse.
• 00:28:00 - 00:44:00: Discussion about America's cultural transformation and the changing political landscape.
• 00:44:00 - 00:55:00: Conversation on race and discrimination.
• 00:55:00 - 01:09:00: The political implications and potential consequences of opposing Israel.
• 01:09:00 - 01:26:00: Nick Fuentes' criticism of Dave Smith regarding the Douglas Murray debate and reflections on differing perspectives.
• 01:26:00 - 01:54:00: An examination of Israel's political influence and its impact.
• 01:54:00 - 02:14:00: Discussion about Charlie Kirk and the notion that "The Left Is Getting Desperate."
• 02:14:00 - 02:37:00: An honest assessment of Donald Trump's political standing and actions.
• 02:37:00 - 02:53:00: The experience of being banned from social media and the rise of new media platforms.
• 02:53:00 - 03:05:00: Commentary on Jimmy Kimmel's perceived "cancellation" and government censorship.
• 03:05:00 - 03:17:00: Speculation about Nick Fuentes being a "Fed" and criticism of Tucker Carlson and Joe Kent.
• 03:17:00 - 03:29:00: Nick Fuentes' issues with Candace Owens and their public disagreements.
• 03:29:00 - 03:47:00: An examination of whether Nick Fuentes is a "WW2 Denier" and the broader implications for historical interpretation.
• 03:47:00 - 04:15:00: Smith and Fuentes discuss their shared anti-war stance and its perceived connection to the "alt-right" and "Groyper" movements.
• 04:15:00 - 07:53:00: Smith elaborates on the genesis of their renewed collaboration, stemming from Jordan Peterson's appearance on Joe Rogan and his comments about the Douglas Murray debate.
• 07:53:00 - 10:26:00: The explosion of inquiry into Israel and Jewish influence, the removal of taboos, and the role of public figures in mediating these discussions.
• 10:26:00 - 14:48:00: Smith's critique of Jordan Peterson's comments, his perceived hypocrisy, and the implications for reaching disaffected young men.
• 14:48:00 - 16:40:00: Fuentes' response to Peterson's "rat" comments and his perspective on Peterson's influence on young men.
• 16:40:00 - 18:30:00: Smith discusses his past interactions with "alt-right" figures and his libertarian perspective on cultural values, specifically how bigotry is prioritized over war.
• 18:30:00 - 20:10:00: An exploration of the societal emphasis on bigotry versus more severe issues like war and murder, and the selective application of criticism.
• 20:10:00 - 24:46:00: Discussion on the concept of "freedom of conscience," the use of reputational destruction for political control, and the double standards applied to figures like Ben Shapiro versus others.
• 24:46:00 - 28:03:00: Analysis of Ron Paul's political campaigns, the criticism he faced, and a discussion of Murray Rothbard's writings on David Duke and Robert Byrd, highlighting the selective application of standards.
• 28:03:00 - 33:47:00: The "Trump moment" as an expression of white identity, the demographic and cultural transformation of America, and the guaranteed pushback against these changes.
• 33:47:00 - 38:41:00: Discussion on the recent cultural shift away from "wokeism," the impact of events like Bud Light and Target boycotts, and the idea that the Overton window is moving right.
• 38:41:00 - 47:44:00: The transition to a multi-racial society, the challenges of power sharing, and the inherent distrust and resentment between racial groups.
• 47:44:00 - 51:00:00: Fuentes' reflections on how wokeism has been rolled back and the potential for positive change, contrasted with his concerns about escalating anger and division.
• 51:00:00 - 53:45:00: Discussion on government overreach, the selective application of free speech principles, and the idea of "inoculation" through tolerance.
• 53:45:00 - 59:55:00: A conversation about the price of opposing Israel, the "quietist" faction on the right, and the need for an "America First" movement to counter established interests.
• 59:55:00 - 01:04:00: The "cowardice" of not taking a stand on Israel, the political impact on the Trump base, and the need for pressure on politicians regarding Israel.
• 01:04:00 - 01:08:13: Fuentes' criticism of politicians like Joe Kent and Tucker Carlson for disavowing him and other controversial figures, framing it as the path of least resistance.
• 01:08:13 - 01:14:00: Fuentes details his "beef" with Tucker Carlson, stemming from the Joe Kent situation and the "Fed Fuentes" narrative pushed by Max Blumenthal.
• 01:14:00 - 01:20:15: Fuentes clarifies his relationships with Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens, explaining his rationale for appearing on their shows and his grievances.
• 01:20:15 - 01:30:33: A deeper dive into the nature of political influence, identity politics, and the idea that Jewish identity plays a role in shaping political interests, particularly concerning Israel.
• 01:30:33 - 01:40:00: The concept of Jewish identity, its political dimensions, and the comparison between liberal universalism and the pursuit of power for Jewish interests.
• 01:40:00 - 01:48:00: The "Jewish question" as framed by Fuentes, and the differing strategies employed by Jewish communities regarding assimilation, power, and security.
• 01:48:00 - 01:53:00: An analysis of organized minority groups, particularly Jewish organizations, and their influence on American society and politics.
• 01:53:00 - 02:04:00: Discussion on Charlie Kirk's perceived shift in stance on Israel, triggered by donor pressure, and the implications for the conservative movement.
• 02:04:00 - 02:08:00: The difficulty for figures like Charlie Kirk to navigate the changing political landscape and appease both young, Israel-critical audiences and pro-Israel donors.
• 02:08:00 - 02:14:00: An assessment of Donald Trump's political actions, his perceived failures, and the impact on the Republican party and potential future candidates like JD Vance.
• 02:14:00 - 02:27:00: The surprising effectiveness of Biden's presidency in galvanizing the right and the need for the conservative movement to re-evaluate its strategy and messaging.
• 02:27:00 - 02:37:00: The significance of "second and third-order effects" in politics and the unpredictable nature of political shifts.
• 02:37:00 - 02:44:00: Discussion on the importance of caution and intentionality in public discourse, especially in the current volatile media environment, to avoid playing into the hands of those seeking to reimpose censorship.
• 02:44:00 - 02:56:00: Fuentes and Smith discuss the viral nature of controversial statements on social media and the potential for such content to be used as a pretext for further censorship.
• 02:56:00 - 03:04:00: The idea that conservative institutions and bureaucratic systems are inherently progressive and resistant to fundamental change.
• 03:04:00 - 03:08:00: Smith's criticism of Trump's handling of the January 6th events and his perceived lack of follow-through, leading to the activation of the opposition without a clear plan.
• 03:08:00 - 03:13:00: The "Fed Fuentes" accusation, its origins in the Joe Kent situation and the alleged coordinated hit piece by Max Blumenthal and Tucker Carlson.
• 03:13:00 - 03:28:00: Fuentes debunks the "Fed" accusation and discusses his personal interactions with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, highlighting perceived betrayals and strategic differences.
• 03:28:00 - 03:33:00: The challenge of navigating public perception and avoiding being labeled with extreme or unfounded accusations when engaging in critical discourse.
• 03:33:00 - 03:40:00: The debate around the Holocaust, its centrality to Jewish identity, and its politicization in public discourse. Fuentes expresses his views on historical accuracy and the imposition of trauma as a political tool.
• 03:40:00 - 03:47:00: Acknowledging their differing perspectives on certain issues while agreeing on the importance of honesty and challenging the status quo.
• 03:47:00 - End: Final thoughts, mutual appreciation for the conversation, and closing remarks.

The speakers in the video discuss various perspectives on Jewish people and Israel, with some statements being critical or controversial. It's important to analyze these statements within the context of the broader conversation and the speakers' overall arguments.

Here are some points of contention or sensitive statements made, along with an analysis of whether they could be interpreted as antisemitic, either explicitly or implicitly:

Explicit Criticisms of Israel and Jewish Influence:

• "Opposing Israel/Paying The Price" (00:55:16): This chapter heading and the subsequent discussion suggest that there are consequences for criticizing Israel.
• "Israel’s Political Influence" (01:26:47): The discussion here focuses on the political power and influence attributed to Israel and its supporters.
• "The Groyper/Groper" (03:53:19 in transcript, but discussed around 00:38:50 mark): Jordan Peterson's reference to "Gropers" and Fuentes' interpretation that this was a veiled reference to him and his followers, coupled with the context of criticism of Israel, is brought up. Fuentes feels this is unfair and evasive.
• "Jewish identity is so powerful and so potent. Jews refuse to assimilate. They're so powerful. They're so tribalistic. They're loyal to each other." (01:48:11): Fuentes states this, arguing that this inherent organization and loyalty lead to a specific political interest tied to Israel. While he frames it as a "rational chain of logic," the phrasing about being "powerful," "tribalistic," and "loyal to each other" can echo antisemitic tropes about clannishness and undue influence. However, Fuentes also attempts to frame it as a strategy for survival and self-interest, which he argues is not unique to Jews.
• "It's in the Jewish interest to to do these things. So Soros takes up the cause of the Open Society Foundation." (01:57:07): Linking a specific individual (George Soros) and his initiatives to a collective "Jewish interest" can be a sensitive area, as it can imply a conspiracy or a hidden agenda driven by group identity.
• "The overwhelming majority of Jews are pursuing the same strategy that most people are pursuing which is like I want to I don't know I want to raise my kids. I want to have decent health care. I want to have a decent life. I want to hang out with my buddy. I don't think they're pursuing these grand political strategies." (01:58:51): Fuentes acknowledges that most Jews are not engaged in grand political strategies, which is a nuanced point. However, the preceding statements about "Jewish interest" and "organization" create a backdrop where even this statement could be viewed through a lens of conspiracy.
• "The Jewish community is out of control." (01:58:51): This is a broad and generalizing statement that could be interpreted negatively, especially without further qualification.
• "It's like they're extremely organized. And as far as the average Jew is concerned, yeah, they're not running the banks. I don't think your average Jew is like a spy." (01:59:37): While acknowledging that the average Jew isn't involved in stereotypes, the preceding emphasis on extreme organization and the mention of "not running the banks" or being a "spy" can still feed into negative perceptions.
• "Sarah Silverman said when she saw her white boyfriend put a American flag pole on her lawn. She said it reminded her of Hitler. How many Jews is that attitude prevalent?" (02:00:37): This point is used to illustrate a perceived Jewish distrust of American patriotism and nationalism. While presented as an observation about a cultural attitude, the framing could be seen as critical of Jewish people's relationship with American identity.
• "we are going to have to sideline by definition Jews that put the Jewish nation first." (02:01:37): This statement, made in the context of prioritizing "America First," suggests a need to sideline individuals based on their perceived primary loyalty to a "Jewish nation." This can be interpreted as promoting division and questioning the primary allegiance of Jewish Americans, which can be a sensitive area.
• "They're they're not Christian. They are not American. It is not in our interest. We have to take our own side." (02:03:08): This refers to evangelical Christians who support Israel, but the underlying sentiment about prioritizing national identity over broader religious alliances can be applied to any group perceived as not prioritizing American interests. However, within the context of "taking our own side," it echoes arguments that can be used to create in-group/out-group dynamics.
• "You know, like I I told you when we spoke on the phone when we first planned this and I told you the video that I saw of you, it's like a clip that was going super viral, which you I think were touching on earlier today where you were just like um where you were talking about how like a Christian just can't support killing people like this and you were and you even said you were like, 'Look, I don't want them living here, but like that we that we also can't support killing them over there.'" (03:35:37): Fuentes refers to a clip of Smith's where Smith expresses disapproval of killing people and then says, "I don't want them living here, but like that we that we also can't support killing them over there." While Smith states he doesn't want "them" (referring to Palestinians in this context) living in Israel, and then immediately pivots to criticizing the killing, the initial phrasing of "I don't want them living here" could be misconstrued as exclusionary. However, it's immediately followed by a condemnation of killing, suggesting a focus on national self-determination rather than outright hatred.
• "The Holocaust is just like it is just a central part of the Jewish identity story, which is that if the white people get too much power, they're going to kill us all." (03:32:27): Fuentes describes the Holocaust as a central part of the Jewish identity narrative, linked to a fear of white gentile power. While he frames this as a political strategy and a historical interpretation, it touches on the idea of victimhood and external threat as core to identity, which some might find problematic.
• "I really don't actually think it's that exaggerated. I mean I it's probably not six million to the person but like I think even David Irving I think he put it at between four and five like and that was was like on the low end estimate and even four or five it's like what are we even [__] talking about here? It's all the same thing." (03:34:50): Fuentes questions the exact numbers of Holocaust victims, referencing David Irving, a figure known for Holocaust revisionism. While Fuentes claims he doesn't want trauma imposed, questioning the numbers, even on the "low end," in this context is highly sensitive and often associated with antisemitic denialism.
• "You know, like I I love what you said about these like knock-on second order effects because you're 100% right. Biden winning and like Trump getting banned from YouTube and all that, that's probably why Elon bought Twitter." (02:44:38): This is an example of Fuentes connecting events to broader patterns, and while not directly about Jews or Israel, it fits into the general discussion of power structures and influence.
• "The Gropers, so to speak, or the Dave Smith people and the other side." (02:01:59): This categorization, while referring to a political faction, can echo terms used in antisemitic discourse to denote certain groups.
• "the problem with you know, because who the hell cares what some ghetto black chick says on my show you know," (02:42:49): This is an example of Fuentes using potentially offensive language when discussing an individual's statement. While directed at a black woman and not specifically Jewish, it reflects a willingness to use derogatory terms which, in a broader context, can be seen as part of a pattern of inflammatory rhetoric.
• "It's like, 'Well, you're going to call me an anti-semite?' He goes, he sort of stopped himself. He said, 'Well, you're going to lose me.' That's what he was going towards. You're not going to lose me. He goes, 'But I'm going to be deflated.'" (01:14:11): This is Smith quoting Charlie Kirk, indicating a sensitivity around the accusation of antisemitism and its potential impact on his standing.

Implicit or Potential Antisemitic Undertones (as perceived by some):

• Focus on "Jewish power" and "Jewish interest": While Fuentes aims to distinguish between criticism of the Israeli government and criticism of Jewish people, the repeated emphasis on "Jewish power," "Jewish interest," and "organized Jewish community" can, for some, stray into antisemitic conspiracy theories about disproportionate Jewish control.
• Linking "Jews" to specific political actions: When Fuentes states that "It's in the Jewish interest to do these things" in relation to funding certain foundations, this can be perceived as generalizing the actions of a few to an entire group.
• The "Heads you lose, tails I win" dynamic: Fuentes describes a situation where both pro-Israel and anti-Israel stances from Jewish individuals are met with criticism, suggesting a no-win scenario that can be used to alienate and control. While he claims this is a critique of a tactic, it can be seen as highlighting a perceived manipulation of the narrative by a powerful group.
• The "Hitler aura" comment: While Fuentes claims this is about challenging the emotional impact of the Holocaust, the use of "Hitler aura" in any context related to political discourse is inherently provocative and can be seen as trivializing or normalizing Nazi ideology, which is a common antisemitic tactic.
• Questioning the Holocaust narrative: As noted above, Fuentes' questioning of the exact numbers and the framing of the Holocaust as primarily a political tool for Jewish identity, rather than solely a historical event, is a highly sensitive area that aligns with some antisemitic arguments.

Analysis of Antisemitism:

It is crucial to distinguish between legitimate criticism of the Israeli government's policies and antisemitism. The speakers, particularly Fuentes, often articulate a distinction between critiquing Israel and hating Jewish people. However, the language used, especially by Fuentes, can be seen as walking a fine line.

• Antisemitic Tropes: Phrases like "powerful," "tribalistic," "loyal to each other," "organized Jewish community," and the linkage of Jewish identity to specific political actions can echo historical antisemitic conspiracy theories.
• Holocaust Revisionism: Fuentes' questioning of Holocaust numbers and its centrality to Jewish identity, particularly his engagement with David Irving, is the most significant red flag. While he claims not to deny the event, his approach and the sources he references are deeply problematic and aligned with antisemitic discourse.
• "Us vs. Them" Mentality: The repeated framing of "our interests" versus "their interests," particularly when applied to ethnic or religious groups, can foster an "us vs. them" mentality that is conducive to prejudice.

Conclusion on Antisemitism:

While both speakers engage in sharp political critique, Fuentes, in particular, uses language and references (like David Irving and the "Hitler aura" comment) that are strongly associated with antisemitic discourse. His analysis of Jewish identity and its political manifestations, while framed as intellectual, often skirts close to, and at times crosses into, territory that employs antisemitic tropes and revisionist arguments. Smith, while more measured in his language, participates in discussions that touch upon these sensitive topics and does not always actively push back on Fuentes' more extreme framing.

The video contains discussions that are highly critical of Israel and attribute significant political influence to Jewish people and organizations. While criticism of governments and their policies is a valid part of political discourse, the specific language and historical interpretations used by Fuentes, especially concerning the Holocaust and Jewish identity, are concerning and can be perceived as antisemitic by many.

The phrase "Hitler aura" as used in the transcript, and the concern that it might be antisemitic, can be understood in the following way:

What "Hitler Aura" Likely Refers To (in Fuentes' context):

Fuentes seems to be using "aura" metaphorically, referring to the emotional and psychological impact that Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust have on people, particularly in the West. He suggests that the Holocaust has become so central to Jewish identity and Western consciousness that it carries an immense, almost overwhelming, emotional weight. This "aura" is something that he believes:

1. Is exploited: Fuentes implies that this emotional weight is used as a tool in political and cultural debates. For example, he suggests it's used to shut down criticism of Israel or to label dissenters as antisemitic.
2. Can be neutralized or recontextualized: By referencing "Hitler aura," Fuentes appears to be suggesting that the intense emotional reaction to anything associated with Hitler or Nazism should be re-evaluated or at least understood as a socially constructed phenomenon, rather than an inherent, objective truth. He implies that this reaction is amplified by movies, museums, and propaganda.
3. Is disproportionately applied to Jewish issues: He contrasts this intense reaction to anything related to Hitler or the Holocaust with the less severe reactions to other historical atrocities or criticisms of other groups.

Why it's Problematic and Potentially Antisemitic:

The concern that this phrase is antisemitic arises from several factors:

1. Trivialization of Nazi Ideology and the Holocaust:

   • "Aura" is a strange word choice: Attributing an "aura" to Hitler, even metaphorically, is highly unusual and deeply uncomfortable given Hitler's role as the architect of genocide. It suggests a focus on his presence or influence in a way that is detached from the horror he represents.
   • Normalizing the association: By discussing Hitler's "aura" as something to be dissected or challenged, it can be seen as treating Nazism and its crimes as just another set of political talking points or emotional responses, rather than as a uniquely abhorrent ideology and historical event.
   • Downplaying the horror: The implication is that the visceral, negative reaction to anything Hitler-related is perhaps an overreaction or a tool of manipulation, thereby diminishing the actual historical horror and its significance.

2. Antisemitic Tactic of "Weaponizing the Holocaust": A common antisemitic trope is the accusation that Jewish people or Israel "weaponize" the Holocaust to silence criticism or gain sympathy. By suggesting that the "Hitler aura" is something "Jews sort of made that way" and is used to control the narrative, Fuentes is echoing this trope. He implies that the immense historical weight of Nazism is not a natural response to atrocity but a deliberate construct used for political gain.

3. Drawing False Equivalencies or Loose Associations: When Fuentes says, "You understand that like that is going to be something that might make a lot of people go, 'Oh, yeah. I don't want to deal with that guy,'" he's acknowledging the negative perception. However, the phrase "Hitler aura" itself is so charged that using it in any context other than outright condemnation can be seen as dangerous. It suggests that the reason people react strongly to certain political views (like criticism of Israel) is because of this "aura," rather than because the views themselves might be genuinely problematic or, in some cases, antisemitic.

4. Challenging the "Taboo" in a Provocative Way: While Fuentes might genuinely believe he's challenging a taboo to facilitate more open debate, the method he chooses—using a phrase that evokes Hitler's "aura"—is inherently provocative and likely to be interpreted as antisemitic because it plays into the very taboos that are meant to prevent the normalization or trivialization of Nazism.

In essence, the concern is that by discussing Hitler's "aura" as a political tool or an emotional construct that can be manipulated or neutralized, Fuentes is engaging in rhetoric that trivializes the historical reality of Nazism and the Holocaust, and potentially employs antisemitic tropes about Jewish manipulation of historical trauma for political ends. It’s the specific choice of words and the context of his broader arguments about Jewish power and influence that raise these red flags.

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