[00:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=9s) [bees buzzing].
[00:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=12s) [bees buzzing].
[00:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=24s) [Jerry Shue]
In a very extreme situation,.
[00:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=28s) different people behaved
in different ways..
[00:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=32s) We want to think that
everybody's capable.
[00:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=34s) of being bad but us..
[00:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=37s) "If I'd have been there,
I wouldn't have done that.".
[00:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=41s) But that's not what happened..
[00:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=45s) [Glenn Gee] What do you
think would happen.
[00:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=47s) if you took a bunch
of college kids,.
[00:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=49s) randomly assign them to be
prisoners and guards,.
[00:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=52s) with costumes and everything,
and lock them in a basement?.
[00:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=56s) Well, this is what happened
50 years ago..
[00:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=59s) [montage of disparate voices].
[01:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=64s) [Shue] I've only been
in jail once..
[01:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=66s) Stanford Prison Experiment.
[chuckles].
[01:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=68s) [Cathy Lee Crosby]
At Stanford University,.
[01:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=70s) an experiment was conducted
that became a classic.
[01:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=72s) in the annals
of social psychology..
[01:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=74s) [Newscaster] Professor
Philip Zimbardo conducted.
[01:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=76s) a legendary experiment
by randomly assigning students.
[01:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=80s) to the roles of prison guards
and prisoners..
[01:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=83s) The experiment proved
so dangerous.
[01:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=85s) that he had to end it
prematurely..
[01:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=91s) [Philip Zimbardo] We see
how quickly the good boys.
[01:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=93s) become brutal guards..
[01:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=95s) [John Mark] Professor Zimbardo
said that evil.
[01:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=97s) isn't just in some of us;
it's in all of us..
[01:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=101s) [Doug Korpi] The control of
the narrative has been Phil's..
[01:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=104s) [Zimbardo]
We turn to a man who always.
[01:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=105s) has something up his sleeve..
[01:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=107s) [Korpi]
The experiment has been used.
[01:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=108s) to explain real-life atrocities..
[01:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=110s) [Zimbardo] The situation
he was in corrupted him..
[01:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=113s) [Shue] It disturbs me that
an individual can make something.
[01:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=117s) the status quo
for a personal benefit..
[02:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=120s) [Zimbardo]
Yo, it's Phil Zimbardo..
[02:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=121s) [Thibault Le Texier] He's been
telling the story for 50 years..
[02:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=124s) He's believing his narrative
is what really happened..
[02:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=128s) [Clay Ramsay] There are
other things that happened.
[02:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=129s) that we should have been told..
[02:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=132s) [Le Texier]
Most of the participants.
[02:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=133s) haven't been interviewed..
[02:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=135s) [John Loftus] Zimbardo put out
a nice, simple answer,.
[02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=138s) but it'd be great
if somebody interviews.
[02:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=140s) all those people involved and
just see how complex this is..
[02:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=145s) [Guard] One, two..
[02:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=147s) [Guard] Looking good, fellas..
[02:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=148s) [Guard] Three, four..
[02:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=151s) [Guard] So haven't you learned
from anything?.
[02:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=152s) [Prisoner] I want out!
I want out!.
[02:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=154s) I want out right now!.
[02:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=156s) [Guard] Hold this..
[02:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=157s) [Prisoner] Right now,
I want out! I want out!.
[02:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=159s) [whistle blows, tape rewinds].
[02:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=161s) [Dave Eshleman]
You may think you know.
[02:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=162s) what you're dealing with,
but believe me, you don't..
[02:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=166s) [Prisoner singing]
♪ Since I saw God... ♪.
[02:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=171s) [birds chirping].
[02:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=174s) [Producer] Good?
We'll get started..
[02:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=177s) -Yeah!
-Alright..
[02:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=179s) [Shue] What do you want
to talk about?.
[03:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=180s) [Producer] You..
[03:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=181s) [Chuck Burton] Nobody from the
media has ever interviewed me..
[03:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=184s) Are we hard to find?.
[03:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=187s) [Eshleman] The interest in it
never seems to fade..
[03:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=189s) The only reason that
I'm still talking about it.
[03:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=191s) is because people
want to hear about it..
[03:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=194s) [Korpi] About once every decade,
somebody asks me about it,.
[03:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=198s) and I realize, "Wow,
that was kind of special.".
[03:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=201s) [chuckles]
And I tell stories..
[03:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=203s) And this thing was
50 years ago or whatever, so..
[03:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=209s) Yeah..
[03:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=211s) [Producer] Yet we're still
talking about it..
[03:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=213s) [Korpi] Still talking about it..
[03:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=215s) Oh, no, no. I remember....
[03:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=217s) Okay, it's all coming
back to me now..
[03:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=220s) [bell ringing].
[03:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=223s) [dog barking].
[03:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=225s) [Loftus] In the summer of 1971,.
[03:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=227s) I was trying to find
a summer job..
[03:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=229s) [Eshleman] I saw an ad
in the newspaper.
[03:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=230s) that they were doing
a prison experiment.
[03:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=232s) and that they were paying
$15 a day..
[03:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=235s) It wasn't that bad
for minimum wage-type work..
[03:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=238s) [Shue] It was $15 a day
and three meals.
[04:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=241s) and a roof and a padded bed..
[04:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=243s) And I thought,
"I've just arrived.".
[04:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=246s) [Burton] And that sounded
good for me..
[04:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=247s) I didn't have any money..
[04:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=248s) [Eshleman] I didn't know
anything about prisons.
[04:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=250s) other than what I see in movies..
[04:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=251s) I had no opinion about them.
[04:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=252s) other than that they must be
very evil places..
[04:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=255s) [Korpi] I didn't give a [bleep]..
[04:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=257s) All I cared about
was a summer job..
[04:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=259s) [Ramsay] They were going to do
this for two weeks in August..
[04:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=262s) [Karl Van Orsdol]
It was being run by Stanford,.
[04:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=264s) and Zimbardo had a high
reputation in the community..
[04:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=269s) [Loftus] We called him
a disco psychologist..
[04:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=272s) [Van Orsdol] I applied,
and I didn't really know.
[04:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=273s) anything about it..
[04:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=275s) [Ramsay] I figured it was going
to be an imitation prison.
[04:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=277s) of some kind..
[04:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=279s) [Korpi] I needed to study
for the Graduate Record Exam,.
[04:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=281s) and I thought, "Oh, my god.
This is a great thing..
[04:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=284s) It's a prison experiment..
[04:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=285s) I'll have all this time
in the cell..
[04:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=286s) I'll bring my books.
I'll study.".
[04:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=288s) I thought it was
the perfect job. [chuckles].
[04:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=295s) [Van Orsdol] At Stanford
University back in 1971....
[04:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=298s) [Zimbardo] We wanted to see
just what happens.
[05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=300s) when you put good people
in a bad situation..
[05:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=304s) In this case, in jail..
[05:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=307s) [Van Orsdol]
We created a prison..
[05:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=308s) And in that mock prison,
we put a number of young men,.
[05:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=311s) college students
from all over the country.
[05:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=312s) who happen to be
in the San Francisco area.
[05:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=314s) in the summer..
[05:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=315s) [Zimbardo] We started with
100 people that called us.
[05:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=318s) answering an ad,
and we interviewed them,.
[05:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=320s) gave them personality tests..
[05:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=322s) [Van Orsdol] I remember it being
presented as an experiment.
[05:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=325s) on how individuals
deal with captivity.
[05:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=329s) in a specific sort of
prison-like situation..
[05:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=332s) [Burton] There's gonna be
no threat of violence,.
[05:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=334s) no threat of sexual assault..
[05:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=336s) [Eshleman] They gave me
a psychological profile test..
[05:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=339s) One of these lengthy
questionnaires..
[05:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=340s) They tried to see if you got
some kind of pathology.
[05:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=343s) or something like that..
[05:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=345s) [Loftus] They ask you
your background.
[05:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=347s) and had you ever been in jail,.
[05:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=349s) 'cause they didn't want anybody
that had actually been in jail..
[05:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=352s) [Korpi] And I remember
signing a contract..
[05:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=354s) You couldn't leave unless
you had a good cause,.
[05:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=358s) like something physical..
[06:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=360s) [Burton] Out of the 125 people,.
[06:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=361s) the smaller group of people
that they felt.
[06:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=363s) were the most
psychologically stable,.
[06:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=364s) which I thought was hilarious,.
[06:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=367s) 'cause I didn't feel
very psychologically stable..
[06:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=370s) [Zimbardo] We picked two dozen,.
[06:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=372s) and then we flipped a coin
and said,.
[06:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=374s) "These guys are guards
and these guys are prisoners.".
[06:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=376s) [Phil Donahue] What were
your instructions to the guards?.
[06:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=377s) [Zimbardo] We simply said
maintain law and order,.
[06:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=379s) don't let the prisoners escape,.
[06:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=381s) and the control of the prison
is up to you..
[06:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=384s) [Burton] This was the '70s..
[06:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=385s) We were all rebellious,
young, drug-using,.
[06:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=389s) anti-war, long-haired kids..
[06:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=391s) Everybody involved in this
could imagine being a prisoner..
[06:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=394s) Not one person could
put themselves.
[06:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=395s) into the mindset
of being a guard..
[06:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=399s) [Shue] I was glad to hear
that I would be a prisoner..
[06:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=402s) I figured that would be
a passive role..
[06:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=405s) [Korpi] I imagined that
I would have time to study,.
[06:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=407s) so I imagined myself
being a prisoner..
[06:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=409s) [Van Orsdol] I didn't sort of
volunteer to be a guard..
[06:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=412s) [Eshleman] I said I would have
preferred to be a prisoner,.
[06:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=414s) but I was chosen instead
to be a guard..
[06:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=416s) I was a little disappointed,
but it was still $15 a day,.
[07:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=420s) so, hey, you know, let's do it..
[07:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=425s) [Loftus] They sent us guards out
to a surplus store.
[07:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=428s) and we were supposed
to pick out uniforms..
[07:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=431s) [Van Orsdol] I had the khaki
uniform that we were issued..
[07:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=435s) [Eshleman] We were issued
a night stick,.
[07:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=439s) mirrored sunglasses, a uniform..
[07:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=440s) [Burton] That was so contrary
to the identity.
[07:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=442s) that probably any of us
young men had ever thought of.
[07:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=446s) as like authoritarian,
rough, mean..
[07:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=450s) Having reflecting sunglasses
and a uniform, carrying a club.
[07:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=453s) was just like, you know,
"What is that?".
[07:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=457s) Hehh, wah!.
[07:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=458s) I mean..
[07:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=460s) [Zimbardo] We only wanted
to have normal, healthy,.
[07:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=461s) average American youth..
[07:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=462s) [Donahue] Yeah..
[07:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=463s) [Zimbardo] When we began,
there was no difference.
[07:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=465s) between the people who were
gonna play guards.
[07:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=466s) and the people who were
gonna play prisoners..
[07:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=468s) ♪ ♪.
[07:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=472s) [Korpi] On Sunday morning,
I'm waiting in my home,.
[07:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=476s) and this cop car comes up..
[07:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=478s) And a guy is in the street
with a huge camera..
[08:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=481s) And a cop comes to my door and
he says, "We're arresting you.".
[08:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=487s) So I can't imagine what
the neighbors were thinking..
[08:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=492s) [Shue] They had the police
handcuff me.
[08:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=494s) and take me downstairs..
[08:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=499s) [Korpi] There's a camera
filming Doug.
[08:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=500s) who's got his hand
on the top of the car..
[08:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=502s) And they're frisking him..
[08:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=503s) They're putting him
in handcuffs..
[08:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=505s) [camera shutter clicks].
[08:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=507s) They put me in the back
of the cop car..
[08:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=510s) They drove off, and this guy
is filming the whole thing..
[08:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=512s) And I really wanted to tell
the neighbors,.
[08:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=514s) "This is just an experiment!".
[08:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=516s) [siren].
[08:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=520s) [Shue] The next thing I remember
is the cops fingerprinting us.
[08:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=524s) at the police station..
[08:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=529s) [Van Orsdol] I remember being
a little shocked.
[08:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=532s) at the level of authenticity..
[08:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=535s) It was a real event in a way
in these prisoners' lives..
[09:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=540s) [camera shutter clicking].
[09:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=541s) [Zimbardo] We tried to create
an environment.
[09:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=543s) which was a functional
simulation.
[09:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=545s) of what happens in prison..
[09:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=554s) [Shue] As you can see
in the footage,.
[09:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=556s) when the police dropped us off,.
[09:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=559s) we were blindfolded
at that point..
[09:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=561s) We didn't know where we were,.
[09:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=563s) and we just wound up
in this hallway..
[09:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=569s) I just remember
being told to strip..
[09:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=575s) [Guard] Socks off, too..
[09:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=577s) [Shue] And stand with my hands
against the wall,.
[09:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=581s) and they sprayed me..
[09:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=583s) [Eshleman]
We would make them wear.
[09:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=584s) these very simple,
scratchy smocks..
[09:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=589s) [Loftus] A smock with
their number on it..
[09:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=593s) [Eshleman] It kind of went
down to mid-thigh,.
[09:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=594s) and they didn't let them
wear their underwear..
[09:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=597s) [Loftus] They would be wearing
a nylon stock over their head.
[09:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=599s) to simulate having shaved heads..
[10:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=606s) [Korpi] They put like chains,
just on one foot, and lock..
[10:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=610s) [Shue] It was part of their plan
to dehumanize us..
[10:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=615s) [Van Orsdol] They became
an object in a system.
[10:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=617s) as opposed to an individual..
[10:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=628s) [Korpi] There were
three prison cells,.
[10:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=630s) and each of the cells was
the size of a small bedroom.
[10:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=633s) with a couple of mattresses..
[10:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=636s) And they had windows
on the doors with bars on them.
[10:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=639s) so that you can come by
and take a look in there.
[10:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=641s) and see what was going on..
[10:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=643s) [Loftus] There was a camera
at the end of the hall..
[10:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=645s) There was a false wall
and a hole in it..
[10:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=647s) And if there's anybody in the
hall, it was recording behavior..
[10:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=651s) [Gee] From your cell, one
couldn't see the entire hallway..
[10:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=655s) All I can do is hear the noise..
[10:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=657s) [Mark] At first, everything
about it was uncomfortable,.
[11:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=660s) except probably the sunglasses.
[11:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=662s) 'cause I did like
to wear sunglasses..
[11:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=664s) Especially if your eyes are red
from getting high,.
[11:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=667s) that was helpful..
[11:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=669s) [Burton] First day, there was
that feeling of awkwardness.
[11:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=672s) to kind of get us
into our roles..
[11:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=674s) But that feeling disappeared
very quickly.
[11:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=676s) with all the stuff
that was happening..
[11:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=678s) [Eshleman] I took a leadership
role, deliberately..
[11:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=680s) Somebody must have been
spending a lot of money.
[11:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=682s) to have this experiment put on,.
[11:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=683s) and they were trying to show
the bad effects of prison,.
[11:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=687s) but nothing was happening..
[11:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=688s) I said, "Okay, here's
what we're gonna do.".
[11:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=690s) I was making the plans..
[11:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=692s) [whistle blows]
Morning, girls!.
[11:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=694s) [Guard] Open the cell..
[11:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=695s) [indistinct shouting].
[11:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=699s) [Eshleman] We would get them
out of their cells,.
[11:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=701s) line them up in the hallway..
[11:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=707s) [Eshleman] And I would take them
through drills..
[11:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=708s) [Prisoners] One, two, three,
four, five, six,.
[11:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=710s) seven, eight, nine..
[11:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=714s) [Eshleman] I shouted
in their faces quite a bit..
[12:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=720s) [Korpi] One of the guards,
we called him John Wayne..
[12:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=724s) [Eshleman] They gave me
the nickname John Wayne..
[12:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=726s) And it's kind of curious,
because John Wayne never played.
[12:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=728s) evil characters in his films,
he always played the hero..
[12:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=731s) Well, we were all
against the Vietnam War..
[12:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=734s) John Wayne came out in
full support of the Vietnam War..
[12:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=738s) So if you're an evil dude,
you're an enemy....
[12:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=742s) [indistinct shouting].
[12:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=743s) Then what the hell
are you talking about?.
[12:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=745s) ...you're John Wayne..
[12:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=747s) [Shue] John Wayne was
a very dramatic presence..
[12:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=751s) [Eshleman] This time, louder..
[12:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=753s) [Korpi] He kept doing
irritating things..
[12:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=755s) [Eshleman] You tell me
who's boss. [whistle blows].
[12:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=757s) At first, I tried to make it
kind of entertaining,.
[12:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=760s) and I would make up the drills
as I pretty much went along..
[12:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=767s) [Eshleman]
It was singing stupid songs.
[12:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=769s) or it was telling the guy
next to you that you loved him..
[12:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=772s) Anything that we thought would
be kind of humiliating for guys..
[12:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=779s) [Eshleman] We had them
refer to us as,.
[13:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=780s) "Yes, Mr. Correctional Officer.".
[13:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=790s) [Eshleman] We referred to them
by their numbers..
[13:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=798s) [Eshleman]
So all things designed.
[13:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=799s) to sort of dehumanize
the prisoners..
[13:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=802s) [Shue] We started out having
fun, laughing and joking..
[13:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=807s) And they told us
to chant something,.
[13:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=808s) we would bastardize it somehow..
[13:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=816s) [laughter].
[13:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=817s) [Korpi] And you know that
the "guards" couldn't hurt you..
[13:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=820s) I mean, it's an experiment,
for God's sakes..
[13:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=823s) We're all White,
middle-class students..
[13:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=824s) What are they gonna do to us?.
[13:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=825s) [Shue] They started to
selectively punish smartasses..
[13:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=830s) [Van Orsdol]
Just harassment, basically,.
[13:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=832s) and wanting the prisoners
to show respect to the guards..
[13:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=837s) [Zimbardo]
We're really dealing now.
[13:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=838s) with power relationships.
[14:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=840s) between people who have
some power to control others.
[14:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=844s) and people who allow themselves
to be controlled..
[14:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=846s) It's a gradual process..
[14:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=847s) You get socialized
into the role..
[14:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=849s) [Eshleman] It's almost surreal
when you think about it..
[14:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=851s) Everybody was taking this
as if it were a real prison..
[14:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=855s) I think that I took control
of the group of guards.
[14:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=858s) and they followed my lead..
[14:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=860s) ♪ ♪.
[14:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=864s) ♪ ♪.
[14:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=870s) Woo!.
[14:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=873s) I had just finished
my freshman year.
[14:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=875s) where I had gone through
hazing at a fraternity..
[14:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=879s) And they would take us through
different humiliations..
[14:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=885s) They poured molasses
all over my head..
[14:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=888s) They made me rub this very
burning ointment on my genitals..
[14:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=893s) I said, "This has got nothing
to do with anything..
[14:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=895s) It's just you guys
being sadistic bastards.".
[15:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=902s) And some of that
you hold inside,.
[15:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=904s) and if you're in a position.
[15:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=907s) where you can return this
cruelty to somebody else,.
[15:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=911s) maybe you know how to do it..
[15:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=918s) [Burton] Dave had cultivated
this persona.
[15:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=922s) of this despised, hated, feared
figure of authority.
[15:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=925s) that nobody wanted to mess with..
[15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=933s) [Burton] I tried to be
a sidekick to him.
[15:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=936s) in a lot of the stuff
we were doing..
[15:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=947s) [Burton]
Everybody was in their role..
[15:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=948s) We were already settling into.
[15:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=950s) this is what it's like
in a prison..
[15:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=956s) [Burton] One, two, three, four..
[15:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=958s) We just kind of contrived things.
[15:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=959s) to make the prisoners feel bad
about themselves..
[16:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=962s) In this very short
period of time,.
[16:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=964s) we were endeavoring
to break them down..
[16:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=972s) ♪ ♪.
[16:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=976s) ♪ ♪.
[16:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=982s) [Burton]
My name is Chuck Burton..
[16:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=985s) I live in Mexico for more
than half of every year.
[16:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=988s) where my name is either
Carlos or Carlitos..
[16:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=993s) In 1981,
I became a tax preparer,.
[16:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=995s) and I basically worked for
36 years doing tax returns..
[16:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1000s) I decided I didn't want to spend
my life indoors anymore..
[16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1005s) So I spend my life outdoors
as much as possible..
[16:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1009s) This all fits in the context.
[16:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1010s) of a pretty deep
Buddhist meditation practice..
[16:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1017s) My younger days
were very difficult..
[17:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1022s) I was super small..
[17:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1025s) I was the smallest kid
in high school..
[17:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1027s) My parents made the mistake
when I was in third grade.
[17:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1029s) of skipping me because I was
intellectually so far ahead..
[17:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1033s) This was a very difficult thing
in my adolescent years.
[17:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1036s) and into my early 20s..
[17:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1038s) In the Stanford
Prison Experiment,.
[17:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1040s) it was one of the first times.
[17:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1042s) I can remember in my life
feeling powerful..
[17:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1045s) ♪ ♪.
[17:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1052s) [Korpi] So we're in these cells,
and I learned they weren't.
[17:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1056s) gonna let anybody come in
to give me my books..
[17:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1058s) And I thought,
well, wait a minute..
[17:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1060s) In prison, they give you books..
[17:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1062s) How can you deny this
in an experiment?.
[17:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1066s) And there's nothing to do..
[17:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1068s) [Guard] 3401..
[17:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1072s) [Korpi] And the guards
kept doing irritating things.
[17:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1074s) like not giving us utensils
to eat and [bleep]..
[17:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1076s) They were making life yucky..
[18:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1082s) [Korpi] But the job was
to be a prisoner..
[18:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1083s) And what do prisoners do?
They get to act naughty..
[18:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1087s) And we knew we could
do anything..
[18:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1088s) So it was like this
incredible sense of freedom..
[18:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1093s) So I thought, "Well,
we'll make this a rebellion.".
[18:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1095s) And it turns out the doors
opened into the cells..
[18:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1099s) So I thought, "These guards
keep waking us up..
[18:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1100s) Well, screw that..
[18:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1101s) Let's just put the beds
in front of the door.
[18:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1103s) so they can't come in..
[18:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1105s) Get your bed
in front of the door!.
[18:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1107s) One vertical, one horizontal..
[18:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1108s) Don't let them in..
[18:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1110s) And that pissed off the guards..
[18:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1112s) [Guard] Get reinforcements!.
[18:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1113s) [Prisoner] Yeah, you're gonna
have to push harder than that..
[18:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1115s) [Eshleman] That was a reason
for us to get tougher with them..
[18:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1117s) We could not have them challenge
our authority as guards..
[18:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1120s) [Zimbardo]
The prisoners rebelled..
[18:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1122s) That was the turning point,.
[18:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1123s) because then the guards had
a reason to crush the rebellion.
[18:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1126s) and think of these other
students as dangerous prisoners..
[18:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1130s) [Guard] Get, get them out..
[18:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1131s) [Prisoner] Oh, man..
[18:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1132s) [Prisoner] Come on! Come on!.
[18:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1133s) [Eshleman]
We took their beds away..
[18:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1135s) [Burton] Back up..
[18:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1138s) [Eshleman] To remove
that element of comfort..
[19:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1140s) [Prisoner] Whoa! Whoa!.
[19:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1142s) [Prisoner] Leave me alone.
Come on, man..
[19:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1144s) [Korpi] They beat us when
they took the beds out..
[19:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1146s) So they won that round..
[19:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1148s) [Burton] How about that?.
[19:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1149s) [Korpi] So they're not winning
the next round..
[19:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1152s) [Burton] The prisoners had
gotten together and decided.
[19:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1154s) that they were gonna fight
their way out of this.
[19:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1156s) and mounted a rebellion..
[19:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1157s) Get back from the door..
[19:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1159s) At that point, it escalated..
[19:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1161s) [Korpi] I ripped off my number
and I threw it in the hall..
[19:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1163s) And I said, "Let's all
rip off our numbers.
[19:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1165s) and let's all throw them
in the halls.".
[19:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1167s) Tear off your numbers!.
[19:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1168s) [Prisoner] Yes!.
[19:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1169s) [Korpi] And when they would call
me 8612, I wouldn't respond..
[19:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1172s) I said, "My name is Doug!".
[19:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1174s) [Prisoner] You can't take
our smocks, man..
[19:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1175s) [Guard] Yes, we are..
[19:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1176s) [Prisoner]
You're not taking our....
[19:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1177s) [Guard] Smocks off..
[19:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1178s) [Korpi] They took our smocks..
[19:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1179s) And underneath our smocks,
we had nothing..
[19:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1180s) Me and this other guy,
they chained us together..
[19:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1183s) One arm to one arm,
and one leg to one leg..
[19:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1186s) Naked..
[19:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1187s) So now they're thinking,
they got me, they've won..
[19:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1190s) I wasn't gonna let them win..
[19:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1196s) Come on, dogs..
[19:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1198s) I've always been an extrovert..
[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1200s) [laughing].
[20:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1202s) A dog's gotta take a dump..
[20:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1204s) I've always had a lot of energy.
I'm an energized guy..
[20:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1208s) Growing up, I suffered
a cultural lag.
[20:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1211s) when I was in high school..
[20:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1213s) And then I went to UC Berkeley,.
[20:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1214s) and it was during
the really raucous years..
[20:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1216s) ♪ ♪.
[20:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1223s) It was rebellionville..
[20:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1224s) The antiauthoritarian spirit
was part of the zeitgeist..
[20:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1227s) We were all feeling this way..
[20:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1230s) That's where I became political..
[20:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1232s) I used to have wonderful hair..
[20:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1234s) [laughs].
[20:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1235s) You got to yell and scream
and rail against the man..
[20:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1240s) It taught me that
I had a perspective,.
[20:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1242s) that I was creative,.
[20:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1245s) which means breaking out
of the box in some way..
[20:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1248s) I wasn't the usual guy that was
just gonna go along with things..
[20:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1253s) I was gonna have my way..
[20:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1254s) ♪ ♪.
[21:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1261s) In the prison cell,
there were plugs..
[21:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1264s) And in the plugs,
there's a screw..
[21:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1267s) If you take that screw out, you
can use that as a screwdriver..
[21:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1270s) The mechanism that locked
the door was on the inside..
[21:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1275s) So we use that screw,.
[21:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1276s) every time the guard
would go out of the way..
[21:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1280s) We'd go and unloosen
some of the screws..
[21:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1282s) He'd come back, we'd...
[whistles].
[21:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1286s) And he'll be waiting
for the shift change..
[21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1288s) We opened up the door..
[21:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1290s) We looked to see
if they were gone..
[21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1293s) And then hobble down
the other way,.
[21:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1297s) naked, and around the corner,.
[21:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1299s) thinking that we were
gonna escape..
[21:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1302s) So they figured out we escaped
and they came and got us..
[21:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1305s) [Guards] Hey, come here!.
[21:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1307s) Come on. Come on..
[21:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1309s) [Korpi] When they threw us
back in the cell naked,.
[21:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1313s) and I thought, oh, my god.
This is not fun anymore..
[21:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1316s) This can't get any better.
It can only get worse..
[22:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1328s) [Loftus] Hands off the door..
[22:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1329s) This one guy was rattling the
bars and calling me something,.
[22:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1333s) and I grab this
fire extinguisher.
[22:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1336s) to get him away from the bars,
and I sprayed him with it..
[22:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1341s) I thought it was funny..
[22:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1344s) [Korpi] When the repercussions
were being too severe,.
[22:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1347s) all I remember thinking,
"This is a bad, bad job..
[22:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1352s) I gotta get out of this job.".
[22:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1360s) [Korpi] [bleep]
This is for real..
[22:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1362s) These people don't
want to let me out..
[22:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1365s) What am I gonna do?
And I had to be creative..
[22:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1368s) So I said I had a tummy ache,.
[22:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1369s) because I thought that
would get me out..
[22:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1372s) So they pulled me in the back,
Zimbardo was there,.
[22:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1375s) that's where I really remember
Zimbardo for the first time..
[22:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1379s) Phil is big,
6-foot-1, 220 pounds..
[23:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1384s) I was 110 and 5'8"..
[23:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1387s) He was a professor at Stanford..
[23:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1390s) Zimbardo's a fancy guy..
[23:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1392s) I was intimidated..
[23:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1393s) He said, "Doug, you can't leave
because history being made,.
[23:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1397s) and you're the leader of
the rebellion, for God's sakes..
[23:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1400s) We need your input
in this important event.".
[23:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1404s) When I came out of that room,
I had the definite impression.
[23:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1408s) that I couldn't leave
the experiment..
[23:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1427s) [Van Orsdol] Locking them in the
hole was the most disturbing..
[23:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1431s) It was a small closet.
[23:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1432s) which was very dark and dank
and very small..
[23:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1435s) And it would be quite
a frightening experience..
[24:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1447s) [Korpi]
They threw me in the hole..
[24:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1449s) [door slams].
[24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1454s) I was in this closet
on my side lying down..
[24:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1459s) And it's dark..
[24:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1461s) And I remember being
really like,.
[24:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1462s) "Oh, [bleep], I can't get out
of this experiment.".
[24:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1467s) Somebody had control
over my life..
[24:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1470s) I'm in this emotional state..
[24:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1482s) [Shue] I could hear him
screaming about,.
[24:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1484s) "I'm burning up inside.".
[24:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1489s) [Korpi] I'm [bleep] up..
[24:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1490s) And then I got desperate..
[24:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1493s) I want out! I want out!.
[24:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1495s) I want out right now!.
[24:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1497s) Right now, I want out!.
[24:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1498s) I want out!.
[25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1500s) [hyperventilating].
[25:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1501s) [Mark] Being isolated in that
little dark space, he cracked..
[25:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1506s) [screaming].
[25:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1509s) [Zimbardo] Prisoner 8612
was suffering.
[25:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1511s) from acute emotional
disturbance..
[25:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1513s) We had already come to think
so much like prison authorities.
[25:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1516s) that we thought
he was trying to con us..
[25:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1519s) [Eshleman] The guy's a wimp.
He can't take it..
[25:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1521s) He must be just a very
weak-willed individual..
[25:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1524s) Turn around. Push-ups!.
[25:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1525s) There's nothing we're doing here
that's even close.
[25:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1527s) to what they do if you try
to join a fraternity..
[25:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1530s) [Zimbardo] Took quite a while
before we could be convinced.
[25:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1532s) that he was really suffering,
and then we released him..
[25:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1535s) [bird chirping].
[25:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1543s) [machine humming].
[25:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1549s) [Korpi] Did you see
what Debbie gave us yet?.
[25:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1552s) Our neighbor gave us dessert..
[25:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1555s) My girlfriend, Theresa, came
down to Stanford to pick me up..
[25:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1558s) We got in the parking lot
and I could relax,.
[26:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1561s) and I said, "Oh, phew.
I got out of there..
[26:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1563s) Thanks for coming
and saving me, honey.".
[26:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1565s) [laughs].
[26:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1567s) You want me to make you
a cup of coffee, sweetie?.
[26:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1569s) [Theresa Hanna] Yeah..
[26:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1570s) [machine humming].
[26:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1572s) It was in the evening
and they called and said,.
[26:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1575s) "He's really upset and he says
he wants to go home,.
[26:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1578s) so I think maybe you should
come and get him.".
[26:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1581s) I got there and the guy,
the guy says, "Well, you know,.
[26:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1584s) he seems to be having some
kind of mental breakdown.".
[26:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1587s) I majored in psychology, too,
so I was aware of all these,.
[26:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1591s) you know,
human subject experiments.
[26:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1593s) and that there were
moral problems.
[26:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1596s) with subjecting human beings to
artificially abusive situations..
[26:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1602s) You seemed really upset
that they would keep you.
[26:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1605s) against your will, and that
made you very, very angry..
[26:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1610s) ♪ ♪.
[26:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1615s) [Korpi] I blame Zimbardo
for doing that experiment on me..
[27:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1622s) It was a horrible job, and
Zimbardo was the perpetrator..
[27:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1628s) I was a victim..
[27:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1631s) Zimbardo would say,.
[27:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1632s) "It's getting the job done
for the greater good.".
[27:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1635s) The problem is he doesn't care
who he hurts along the way..
[27:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1639s) ♪ ♪.
[27:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1644s) ♪ ♪.
[27:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1649s) [Ramsay] The Stanford
Prison Experiment began,.
[27:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1652s) and I had not been called..
[27:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1655s) So then I was disappointed,
like, "Oh, shoot.".
[27:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1657s) You know, it's like whatever
it was gonna be, $220, you know?.
[27:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1661s) Ah, too bad..
[27:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1663s) And I forgot about it
completely..
[27:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1668s) But then the phone rang
and they said,.
[27:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1673s) "We would like you to come in."
And I went, "Great!".
[28:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1681s) [Ramsay] So I arrived
at Stanford..
[28:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1684s) They told me what building,
what door, so I went in..
[28:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1695s) And I kind of went,
"Where is everybody?".
[28:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1700s) [Guard] Got fresh meat here..
[28:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1701s) [Guard] Think so..
[28:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1705s) We got his stuff here..
[28:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1706s) [Ramsay] They stripped me,
deloused me, put the gown on me,.
[28:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1713s) and the anklet chain, and
then took me down to my cell..
[28:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1722s) [Guard] ...you guys will be
out here all night.
[28:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1724s) if you don't get it right..
[28:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1725s) [Ramsay] If you were in a cell,.
[28:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1726s) you couldn't see
anything, really..
[28:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1728s) I could hear a little bit
of what was going on.
[28:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1730s) on the other side of the wall..
[28:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1734s) [Guard] Well, why don't you
apply it to yourself?.
[28:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1736s) Inmate 2093, think about
just what a....
[28:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1738s) [Ramsay] There were things
going on right there.
[29:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1740s) that you didn't understand,.
[29:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1741s) and especially coming in
in the middle,.
[29:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1743s) that was true for me..
[29:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1746s) Your real communication
was limited.
[29:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1748s) mostly to the people who were
in the cell with you..
[29:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1753s) [Shue] Clay was
a standby prisoner,.
[29:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1756s) and we wound up
in the same cell,.
[29:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1758s) and we had good talks
about lots of things..
[29:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1762s) So there was a bond there..
[29:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1775s) [Burton] The prisoners
were very subdued..
[29:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1779s) They had already been
subjected to trauma..
[29:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1782s) And they were not in much of a
mood to challenge us in any way..
[29:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1787s) [Eshleman] The prisoners
simply were exhausted..
[29:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1791s) ♪ ♪.
[29:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1796s) And they were in a much
different environment.
[29:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1798s) than we were..
[29:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1799s) We did an eight-hour shift..
[30:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1801s) We can go home,.
[30:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1803s) reconnect with
the real outside world,.
[30:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1807s) and then resume the next day..
[30:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1810s) They're there 24 hours a day,.
[30:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1811s) had no idea what time it was,
whether it was night or day,.
[30:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1813s) how long they'd been there,.
[30:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1815s) so you can see why
they would despair..
[30:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1818s) [Zimbardo] What we wanted to do
is create.
[30:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1820s) a central psychology
of imprisonment,.
[30:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1822s) and that's all about power..
[30:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1823s) Every prison is about power..
[30:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1826s) The prisoners have to be
ultimately dehumanized,.
[30:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1829s) end up thinking of them
as animals..
[30:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1830s) And the guards have to be
impersonal, distant..
[30:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1833s) [whistle blows].
[30:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1834s) [Guard] Everybody out
in the hallway. Come on..
[30:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1835s) [Guard] Come on. Let's go..
[30:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1837s) [Eshleman]
We amplified it day after day..
[30:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1839s) It's like, "What can we do today.
[30:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1840s) to top what we did
the day before?".
[30:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1842s) [Ramsay] The foundation
of the harassment.
[30:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1844s) was breaking up our sleep..
[30:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1846s) [Guard] Good morning..
[30:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1847s) [Ramsay] To be woken
at 2:00 in the morning..
[30:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1849s) [whistle blows].
[30:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1850s) [Eshleman] Everybody out
in the hallway..
[30:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1851s) Come on. Come on. Up..
[30:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1853s) [Ramsay] And again
at 4:00 in the morning..
[30:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1855s) [whistle blows].
[31:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1861s) [Ramsay] That is a really
effective way.
[31:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1862s) of breaking people down..
[31:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1864s) [Prisoners] 4075, 1043..
[31:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1865s) [Ramsay] And so everybody's up
and you're on your feet,.
[31:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1868s) you're not really awake,.
[31:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1869s) and then they try to think
of things to do..
[31:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1871s) [Prisoner] 819, 54, 86..
[31:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1874s) [Eshleman] Wait..
[31:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1879s) [Guard] That's terrible..
[31:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1881s) [Ramsay] John Wayne
in particular,.
[31:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1882s) he would pick one and say
he'd done something wrong..
[31:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1884s) Pull him out,
make him do push-ups..
[31:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1893s) [Prisoner] One, two....
[31:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1894s) [Ramsay] He would insult us
in a way that he hoped.
[31:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1896s) would get a rise
out of somebody,.
[31:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1898s) so that then that person
could be punished..
[31:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1901s) [Prisoner] No, sir..
[31:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1904s) [Ramsay] If somebody seemed
to not like that person.
[31:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1907s) getting punished,
then pull them out of the line.
[31:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1909s) and make them do the punishing..
[31:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1914s) [Ramsay] And just kind of
build it up from there..
[32:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1922s) [Shue] Clay wasn't comfortable
with what's going on..
[32:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1925s) It was a little too
rough and angry..
[32:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1936s) [Eshleman] He didn't understand
the drill, so to speak,.
[32:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1938s) you know, he's coming in
fresh from the outside,.
[32:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1941s) and he didn't want to cooperate..
[32:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1942s) And so we picked on him.
[32:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1945s) and made sure that
we would break his will..
[32:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1948s) [Prisoners] Life is but a dream!.
[32:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1949s) [Eshleman] Good. Everybody
up against the wall..
[32:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1951s) [Ramsay] I could understand
people feeling like.
[32:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1955s) it's only two weeks,.
[32:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1957s) but I was absolutely not
an "it's only two weeks" person.
[32:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1959s) about anything..
[32:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1962s) [Prisoner singing]
♪ Row, row, row your boat ♪.
[32:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1964s) [Ramsay] I didn't think any
moment of my precious life.
[32:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1967s) was worth wasting..
[32:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1969s) Once I had arrived at the
conclusion something was stupid,.
[32:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1972s) then I was out of there..
[32:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1974s) ♪ Row, row, row your boat
gently down the stream ♪.
[32:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1977s) ♪ Merrily, merrily,
merrily, merrily ♪.
[32:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1979s) ♪ Life is but a dream ♪.
[33:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1981s) [Eshleman] Not bad..
[33:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1985s) [Ramsay] During high school,.
[33:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1987s) I wanted to be a great
avant-garde novelist..
[33:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1989s) I thought that college was
some kind of ideological trap..
[33:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1994s) And instead, I was gonna join
the Merchant Marine.
[33:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1997s) and I was gonna work
six months of the year,.
[33:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=1998s) and then, I would take the money
and I would go to Mexico,.
[33:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2001s) and I would write
my masterpiece..
[33:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2003s) If someone had said, "Aren't you
gonna miss your friends?".
[33:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2006s) I would have gone,
"This is important.".
[33:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2010s) I was the sailors' janitor..
[33:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2014s) What I did was get up
at 5:00 in the morning.
[33:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2016s) and go look at the sunrise..
[33:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2018s) I did meditate..
[33:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2021s) I would go up on the bow,.
[33:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2022s) which is a fantastic place
to meditate..
[33:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2027s) With the experiment,
I do recall thinking.
[33:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2030s) that I'll just have
a lot of time to meditate,.
[33:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2035s) that it will be reflective,.
[33:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2036s) because people will
leave you alone. [chuckles].
[34:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2040s) [Prisoner] One..
[34:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2042s) [Eshleman] I want to hear 'em.
Yeah, louder!.
[34:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2043s) [Shue] Clay had been
in the Merchant Marines..
[34:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2046s) He had been there and done that,.
[34:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2048s) and he wasn't gonna
do this for fun..
[34:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2054s) [Ramsay]
And I thought to myself,.
[34:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2055s) "Is this what I would call
an experiment?" [chuckles].
[34:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2060s) [Eshleman] Three over there..
[34:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2061s) [Ramsay] It is just a mess..
[34:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2064s) I began to think about how
could I get myself released..
[34:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2068s) And at that point, I had
the idea of a hunger strike..
[34:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2071s) [whistle blows].
[34:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2073s) [Eshleman] Hot dog day!.
[34:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2075s) ♪ ♪.
[34:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2078s) ♪ ♪.
[34:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2083s) Eat that hot dog, Prisoner 416..
[34:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2087s) [Ramsay] It's not easy
in a real prison.
[34:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2088s) to break somebody's
hunger strike..
[34:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2090s) It was a surprise for them,.
[34:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2093s) because they hadn't figured out
what do you do?.
[34:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2095s) [Burton] Our meal that evening
was sausages,.
[34:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2098s) and he wouldn't eat them..
[35:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2105s) [Burton] Both Dave and I
were just enraged.
[35:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2106s) that this guy was challenging
our authority..
[35:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2110s) [Ramsay] They did try to jam
food down my throat..
[35:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2114s) [Burton] He was just, "No way.".
[35:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2117s) [Ramsay] It was clear that
they didn't know how far to go..
[35:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2121s) [Burton] And so we put him
in the hole..
[35:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2124s) [Guard] Go ahead..
[35:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2128s) [Ramsay]
I am put in the big empty box..
[35:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2132s) I don't think I could stretch
out 100%, but close,.
[35:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2135s) but I had privacy..
[35:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2138s) Remember, I was also
sleep deprived..
[35:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2141s) So I was thinking
about my novel,.
[35:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2144s) which was about
the cultural revolution.
[35:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2147s) of California by acid..
[35:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2153s) It was a kind of fever dream..
[35:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2155s) [Eshleman] Thank you, 416..
[35:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2157s) [Burton] Over there.
Alright. That's fine..
[35:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2158s) [Eshleman] In order to turn the
prisoners against the prisoner.
[36:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2162s) who went on a hunger strike,.
[36:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2164s) we let them know that if he was
not going to eat his dinner,.
[36:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2169s) we would take
their blanket away..
[36:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2187s) [Shue] The other three remaining
prisoners all said,.
[36:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2190s) "No, I won't give up my sheet.".
[36:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2192s) And I liked Clay and we had
shared a cell, and I said,.
[36:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2195s) "Yeah, I'll give him my sheet.".
[36:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2196s) I thought I was above the game
at that point..
[36:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2212s) [Shue] Later that night,
he's still in the closet..
[36:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2216s) The guard ordered the prisoners
to pound on the door..
[37:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2223s) [Shue] Basically, I just
didn't want to make waves,.
[37:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2225s) and I thought, "Well,
he knows I'm his friend,.
[37:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2227s) and I'll do this just
to keep things smooth.".
[37:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2236s) [Shue] I could have said, "No,
I will not pound on that door.".
[37:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2239s) But it was easier to just
go through the motions.
[37:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2241s) and say something calming..
[37:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2244s) Um....
[37:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2247s) So....
[37:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2252s) So I respect
what he represented..
[37:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2263s) [Eshleman]
Because of our solidarity,.
[37:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2265s) we were successful in our aim.
[37:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2267s) to break down the solidarity
of the prisoners.
[37:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2269s) to where the prisoners were
turning against each other..
[37:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2272s) [Burton] I was so angry at being
challenged on this basis.
[37:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2276s) when we had never
been challenged..
[37:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2278s) And at one point,
I started walking.
[38:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2281s) by this little tiny closet
that he was in....
[38:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2285s) [voice breaking]
...and hitting it with my club..
[38:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2288s) [sniffles].
[38:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2289s) I've never come to grips
with how or why that happened..
[38:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2295s) [Zimbardo] But the reality
of that prison was so deep,.
[38:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2298s) once you're in that setting,.
[38:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2300s) your identity as a good guard
or a bad guard.
[38:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2303s) becomes really important to you..
[38:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2305s) The level of aggression
the guards escalated,.
[38:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2308s) they would think
of more and more.
[38:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2309s) sadistically creative things to
do to show that they had power..
[38:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2314s) The worst abuses
happened at night..
[38:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2316s) Because at night,
I went to sleep..
[38:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2318s) So, when the cat's away,
it's time to play..
[38:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2322s) [Shue] Tried to put us.
[38:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2323s) in sexually embarrassing
situations..
[38:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2326s) [Zimbardo]
Guards would say, "Okay..
[38:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2327s) You guys are female camels,
bend over..
[38:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2329s) You guys are male camels,
hump them.".
[38:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2331s) [Prisoner] Oh, no..
[38:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2332s) [Shue] A guy would be
in a push-up position,.
[38:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2334s) and somebody else was supposed
to mount them like a dog..
[38:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2339s) [Zimbardo] They would
simulate sodomy,.
[39:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2341s) their butts were exposed..
[39:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2342s) You had five kids having
emotional breakdowns..
[39:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2345s) It was out of control..
[39:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2352s) [Eshleman] You give somebody
absolute power,.
[39:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2354s) they're gonna want to use it..
[39:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2356s) And if you make people objects
by assigning them a number,.
[39:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2359s) instead of referring
to them by name,.
[39:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2362s) I don't see you as equal
to me anymore,.
[39:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2364s) and therefore anything I do
to you is justified..
[39:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2370s) [Zimbardo] The fifth day..
[39:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2371s) Would you like to see
the rest of the facility?.
[39:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2372s) One of the people that came down
was a young woman,.
[39:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2374s) Christina Maslach, and she and I
had just started dating..
[39:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2378s) [Christina Maslach] I just came
down to the prison basement.
[39:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2382s) just to see what was happening..
[39:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2384s) [Eshleman] Down, up, down, up..
[39:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2386s) [Maslach] And I just got
sick to my stomach..
[39:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2388s) I thought that, "Oh, my god,
this is awful.".
[39:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2390s) Philip said, "Oh, you see that?"
You know, kind of thing..
[39:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2393s) And I just got upset..
[39:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2394s) [Zimbardo] And she starts
tearing up and runs out..
[39:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2397s) And I run after her
and I said, "What's wrong?".
[39:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2398s) And she said, "What you're doing
to those boys is terrible.".
[40:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2402s) [Maslach] These are young people
and they're being treated badly,.
[40:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2406s) and there's no reason for this..
[40:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2408s) And why are you doing it?.
[40:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2409s) You have to stop it now..
[40:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2411s) [Zimbardo]
We are creating the prison.
[40:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2413s) in which people are suffering,.
[40:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2415s) where the guards are behaving
sadistically, brutally..
[40:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2419s) At times, even I forgot
I was an experimenter.
[40:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2422s) and acted like a prison warden..
[40:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2426s) And at that point, we said,
"Enough, we have to end this.".
[40:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2434s) [Eshleman]
I came in for my shift.
[40:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2436s) and was told, "That's it.
They called it off.".
[40:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2438s) And I said, "Oh, so early?".
[40:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2441s) You know, I thought it was
just getting started..
[40:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2444s) [Shue] John Wayne
had played his role.
[40:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2446s) about as hard as he could play
his role given the constraints..
[40:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2450s) I mean, the only way he could
play his role any harder.
[40:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2452s) would be to physically
abuse Clay..
[40:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2456s) [Ramsay] The only good news was
that they were gonna let me out..
[41:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2460s) [Van Orsdol] I remember being
quite disappointed.
[41:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2462s) that it ended early
and surprised why..
[41:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2465s) [Burton] The people
that had created.
[41:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2467s) this Frankenstein monster
were controlled by the monster,.
[41:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2471s) up to the very top..
[41:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2474s) [Eshleman] Shortly after they
called it off, it hit the news..
[41:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2477s) [Ted Koppel] Philip Zimbardo,.
[41:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2478s) professor of psychology
at Stanford University..
[41:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2481s) [Eshleman] It was sensational..
[41:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2485s) [Crosby] What did
your experiment prove?.
[41:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2487s) [Zimbardo] Evil behavior can be
elicited in the best of us..
[41:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2490s) We underestimate
how strong the situation is..
[41:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2493s) These good boys were
behaving sadistically.
[41:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2496s) if they were guards..
[41:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2497s) [Eshleman]
It was a dramatic story..
[41:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2499s) He got tons of news coverage..
[41:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2500s) [Burton] Lots of people
wanting to talk to him,.
[41:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2501s) lots of people want
to hear his opinion..
[41:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2503s) [Shue] Zimbardo became
an authority on prison..
[41:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2506s) [Man] He spent his career
speaking as an expert witness.
[41:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2509s) in court cases
defending people in prisons.
[41:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2512s) who'd done awful things..
[41:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2513s) [Analyst] You testified
in the Abu Ghraib scandal..
[41:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2516s) [Zimbardo] I was part
of the defense team..
[41:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2517s) [Ramsay] And then it became
an academic object.
[41:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2519s) because it found its way into
textbooks in social psychology..
[42:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2523s) Students are introduced to it
year after year after year..
[42:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2526s) [Mark] He wrote a book..
[42:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2527s) [Newscaster] Entitled
The Lucifer Effect,.
[42:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2528s) Understanding How Good People
Turn Evil..
[42:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2532s) [Eshleman] He's got
a narrative to tell,.
[42:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2534s) but he can be a little
more forthcoming.
[42:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2536s) about what really went on..
[42:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2541s) [Le Texier] I never thought
about debunking.
[42:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2543s) the Stanford Prison Experiment..
[42:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2546s) But then I went
through the archive..
[42:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2552s) There are large discrepancies.
[42:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2554s) between the official narrative
and the archive..
[42:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2557s) What Zimbardo says happened.
[42:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2559s) is not what the archives
says happened..
[42:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2561s) He's caught into his own trap..
[42:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2568s) [Le Texier] It can prove that
you can do very bad science.
[42:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2571s) and go away with it..
[42:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2574s) The official narrative
was a lie..
[42:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2579s) After going through the archive,.
[43:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2580s) I started to realize that
what Zimbardo says happened,.
[43:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2584s) it was not what really happened..
[43:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2587s) [Mark] Zimbardo was
disingenuous..
[43:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2588s) [Man] I'm the guy that
you never heard about.
[43:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2590s) that you should be
hearing about..
[43:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2591s) [Eshleman] We were all
on the same page.
[43:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2593s) to prove that prisons
are an evil environment..
[43:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2595s) This is set up
for the guards to abuse..
[43:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2598s) [Hanna] I can't have them
kill each other..
[43:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2599s) [Le Texier] The experimenter
is putting their hands.
[43:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2601s) into the material..
[43:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2602s) [Eshleman]
If you listen to the tape,.
[43:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2603s) it does sound a little suspect..
[43:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2605s) [Le Texier] The participants
couldn't get out..
[43:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2607s) [Korpi] He's re-traumatizing..
[43:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2609s) [Man] Why did you do that
to those kids?.
[43:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2611s) [Eshleman] Come on..
[43:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2611s) [Man] Have you ever....
[43:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2613s) [beep].
[43:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2614s) ♪ ♪.
[43:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2618s) ♪ ♪.
[43:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2624s) ♪ ♪.
[43:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2630s) ♪ ♪.
[43:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmVwf-SARM&t=2637s) ♪ ♪.
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