This video discusses the differences between the соционика types "Штирлиц" (ISTj) and "Горький" (ISFj). The speaker challenges common simplistic comparisons and delves into a deeper analysis of their functional stacks to highlight their similarities and differences in approach and thought processes.
The video states that Штирлиц (ISTj) and Горький (ISFj) have "inverted functional stacks." This means their functions are arranged in a mirror image of each other. The speaker explains that because of this, while both types use logic as their primary function, they approach it differently. Штирлиц's base function is "black logic," leading to a focus on practical application and efficiency. Горький, on the other hand, has "white logic" as a base function, resulting in an emphasis on understanding the underlying structure and systematic order. This difference extends to other functions as well; for instance, Штирлиц's creative function is "white sensing," emphasizing the implementation of practical solutions, while Горький's creative function is "black sensing," leading to a focus on the precise arrangement and order of things. The video further emphasizes that the differing positions and natures of their functions – accepting versus productive – creates stark differences in their approaches to problem-solving and decision-making.
The video highlights that Штирлиц (ISTj) and Горький (ISFj) share a set of "inert" functions: inert logic and inert intuition, combined with contact ethics and contact sensing. The speaker explains that these shared inert functions are the foundation for their similar tendencies. Specifically, the inert nature of their logic and intuition means both types prefer in-depth processing of information rather than quick, superficial responses. They tend to immerse themselves deeply in the information before making conclusions or taking actions. The contact ethics and contact sensing further contribute to their approach, indicating a preference for consuming and utilizing information from the external environment for surface-level tasks rather than delving into deep, transformative processes. In short, the shared inert functions explain why both types are thoughtful and deliberate, preferring to thoroughly understand a situation before acting.
The video emphasizes that while both Штирлиц (ISTj) and Горький (ISFj) share a focus on logical thinking and understanding systems, their valued functions differ significantly, leading to contrasting approaches to tasks and decision-making. Штирлиц's valued function drives him toward practical application and achieving tangible results; efficiency and effectiveness are paramount. In contrast, Горький's valued function centers on deeply understanding the underlying structure and principles of things. For Горький, the process of comprehension and systematization is more important than immediate practical application. This fundamental difference manifests in their problem-solving styles: Штирлиц seeks the most efficient solution, focusing on achieving a practical outcome, while Горький prioritizes understanding the root cause and the overall system within which the problem exists. This difference in valued function significantly shapes their choices and actions.
The speaker uses examples of fear to illustrate the core differences between Штирлиц's (ISTj) and Горький's (ISFj) psychological makeup, focusing on their "bolevaya" (painful) functions. Штирлиц's "bolevaya" function is white intuition, and the example given is a fear of unforeseen consequences and an uncontrolled future. Штирлиц worries about things going wrong, about events he cannot predict or control. This highlights Штирлиц's focus on the external world and potential future threats. In contrast, Горький's "bolevaya" function is black intuition, and the associated fear is the possibility of overlooking crucial details or options. Горький's fear stems from the internal process of failing to fully understand a situation and consider all possibilities before making decisions. This emphasizes Горький's focus on internal processes and the completeness of his understanding. The contrasting examples of fear directly reflect the differing orientations of their primary functions and their approach to the world.
Yes, there were several other detailed points made in the video that haven't been fully covered yet. These include:
Discussion of 5th functions (Suggestive/Subjective): The video discusses the fifth functions for both types, focusing on how they relate to the acceptance of external opinions and the role of this function in creating a sense of inner balance. The contrasting approaches of Штирлиц and Горький regarding suggestions and external input were detailed.
Comparison of "Productive" functions: Although touched upon earlier, a more complete analysis of the productive functions (primarily focused on the differences in how each type addresses their weaker functions, which involve attempts at compensation) could be provided.
Detailed explanation of the differences between white and black ethics: The video delves into the nuances of white ethics (focused on personal relationships and values) and black ethics (focused on behavioral norms and societal expectations), highlighting how these differences influence the interaction and responses of each type to external moral judgments and expectations.
Examples of behavioral differences in social situations: The speaker provides several examples to illustrate how Штирлиц and Горький would react differently in various social situations, emphasizing the role of their suggestive and painful functions in shaping these interactions.
These points offer further insight into the distinctions between Штирлиц and Горький, beyond the key takeaways already summarized. Would you like me to elaborate on any of these specific points?
The video explains that both Штирлиц (ISTj) and Горький (ISFj) have a suggestive function, meaning they are susceptible to external influence in this area. However, the type of influence differs due to the different aspects involved. Штирлиц's suggestive function is white ethics, making him receptive to external moral judgments and societal expectations regarding relationships and values. He seeks approval and acceptance based on whether his actions align with these external standards. On the other hand, Горький's suggestive function is black ethics, making him sensitive to external norms and expectations regarding appropriate behavior in various situations. He is influenced by the expectations of others regarding correct conduct and whether he fits into the social fabric. Both types rely on external validation in their suggestive function, but the nature of that validation—moral judgments versus behavioral standards—differs significantly, reflecting the contrasting focus of their functions.
The video doesn't explicitly compare the productive functions of Штирлиц and Горький in a side-by-side manner, but it discusses how their productive functions relate to their weaker functions. The implication is that both types use their productive functions as a means of compensating for their weaknesses. However, the methods of compensation are different due to the different functions involved. For Штирлиц, the productive function is likely related to the use of his sensing abilities to compensate for a possible weakness in his intuitive understanding of situations. For Горький, it is implied that his productive function will be used similarly to compensate for possible weaknesses. But due to the differences in their functional stacks, the specific methods through which they try to compensate will be different. The video focuses more on the differences in their weaker functions rather than providing a direct comparison of how each employs its productive functions for compensation.
The video doesn't explicitly detail each weaker function for Штирлиц and Горький individually or directly compare them. It primarily emphasizes the inert and valued functions as more significant in distinguishing the two types. However, it's implied that the productive functions serve as a compensatory mechanism for the weaker functions. Because the weaker functions are areas of relative incompetence, the video suggests that both types would employ their productive functions to compensate for those weaknesses, but in different ways based on their different functions. The video's focus remains on the primary and secondary functions and how they influence behavior more than the weaker functions. Therefore, a detailed comparison of their weaker functions isn't directly available from the transcript.
The video explains that white ethics deals with information about personal relationships, values, and feelings. It's about individual assessments of what's good or bad in a relational context. The speaker uses an example: "I don't like this person" – this is a white ethics judgment. Black ethics, conversely, focuses on information concerning how these relationships and values manifest in outward behavior and actions. It's about observing actions and judging them as right or wrong according to norms and expectations. The example given was: "This person is bad because they do [specific actions]." The key difference is that white ethics is about personal feelings and assessments within a relationship, while black ethics judges behaviors based on established norms and societal expectations. The video uses these distinctions to show how Штирлиц and Горький respond differently to ethical judgments because their suggestive functions differ in this area.
The video offers several examples to illustrate the differing social behaviors of Штирлиц and Горький, largely stemming from their contrasting suggestive functions (white ethics for Штирлиц and black ethics for Горький) and their responses to external moral judgments and behavioral expectations.
For example, the speaker describes Штирлиц as comfortable around people who explicitly state moral principles ("You're doing it right," "You're a good person"). Such external validation through clear ethical judgments reassures Штирлиц. Conversely, Горький doesn't find such direct moral pronouncements impactful. Instead, Горький is more influenced by observing and adhering to established behavioral norms and expectations, seeking validation through correct conduct in a given situation (e.g., following etiquette rules during a visit). The video uses these examples to illustrate how, in social settings, Штирлиц seeks explicit moral approval, while Горький aims for conformity to behavioral expectations. The video emphasizes the different types of external validation each type seeks and the resulting behavioral patterns in social situations.
