This video features a conversation with author Oyinkan Braithwaite about her novel, "My Sister, The Serial Killer." Braithwaite discusses the novel's genre-bending nature, its exploration of sisterhood, familial duty, and societal expectations, and the origins of the story from a poem. The conversation also touches upon the themes of trauma, societal pressures, and the portrayal of men and women within the narrative, as well as the author's creative process and reception of the book in Nigeria and internationally.
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boy you can't break way has been editing and writing for many years and was shortlisted for the Commonwealth short story prize and as a top ten spoken word artist in the echo Poetry Slam in a BBC Africa book club interview I read about her first novel boy Hakan said all I knew going into it was that I was going to be writing something about a woman killing men and while my sister the serial killer is indeed that it is so much more it as it doesn't as much been John RZA's kind of smash them with its complete disinterest in what a genre is supposed to be it's being classified as one thing it succeeds as a thriller a psychological mystery a rumination on familial Duty and love and on sexual dynamics and above all a sister a story of sisters in a conversation with Owen calm will be one of DC's great literary citizens Taylor Bernie Taylor's intellectual activism has taken many forms in our community as a producer a book critic a moderator an event curator and now as the writer and editor of the literary newsletter get lit DC you can sign up on her web site or just ask her tonight I'm sure she'd be thrilled to sign you up it's an amazing way to keep abreast of all of them great things that are going on in our community please help me welcome Taylor Bernie and oil compre thwaite to politics and prose thank you as and before we get started I do sorry we're smashed microphones up here for a second before we get started I want to say thank you to Liz and all of the tireless work that she and her team do you're here tonight because of them they curate an amazing slate of events at politics and prose locations throughout the city all year long it is hard to make it look easy and they do and they also really foster community in and around the district which I know I value and you all value and that's why I choose to spend my book dollars at my local Indias and encourage you all to do the same but without further ado income right welcome to DC thank you for having me thank you so much for being here and as Liz mentioned the lead we don't want to bury is that you have been long listed for the Man Booker Prize which is no small thing congratulations that follows a lot of other you know praise and accolades for this book how do you feel um it's pretty incredible as you can imagine but it's it also feels very surreal like especially the Booker news I felt like it was happening to someone else like I was you know on one side of the world and there was another way that it was happening - so um and you're actually one of three Nigerian writers long listed this year um and I know you've been asked about this before and I would love to hear your thoughts on what it means to be tasked as writing about quote-unquote the Nigerian experience because I think that's something as I think as a reader and critic and writer about the pressure we put on authors to be representative of like vast swathes of experience I wonder what that means to you on like a day-to-day practical level as a writer and what this kind of recognition means and whether it's a Tod with what publishers and readers sometimes expects um when it comes to Soweto most questions about Africa about Nigeria in general I I usually stress my ignorance first of all Africa is massive and I've probably only been to I think maybe I've been to three countries in Africa so I'm not an expert and I will be the worst first person to say this even when it comes to African literature I haven't read enough to be honest like I think in the past two three years I've increased my reading of African literature but I grew up on mostly British literature and maybe a little bit of American literature but not so much even Nigerian so I'm not in a place to and I and I and I say that all the time not in a place to very repetitive about it also because I think it isn't even just about my nationality I think also being a writer people imagine you're smart like it just goes hand in hand and you know again I have to stress it like I'm not you know I don't really feel like I have high intellect than anybody for example in this room I just happened to have sat down and you know put some other things are going through my mind in the in the in the book and even though it is a very Nigerian story in many ways it's not somebody asked me recently in an interview how I had managed to keep the make the book so Weston and I thought it was it was a weird question because I wasn't trying to make it Weston I think in this in the world the way it is you know it's very global world our influences aren't just this one thing I watch a lot of Japanese anime you know I watch a lot of American movies I read a lot of British literature you know I've been exposed quite a bit to my Nigerian culture so I'm you know when I produce something it's never gonna be just Nigerian you know it's gonna be a compilation of different things in different experiences so um so yeah I just I just make that clear like I'm going to talk about what I know of Nigerian of the things that happen but you know I've got a very limited experience as far as that goes no I think to your point we often are like oh you wrote about this Cyril in your book yeah how do we fix it right we ask a lot of our novelists and and I don't always think it's realistic and I think to your point too like you can read a thriller set in the District of Columbia and have like a totally different experience than reading like a book by Camila right like at any any place is is represented in all these different ways yeah I'm actually speaking so the fixing someone asked me recently how I would you know what did I think parents could do to avoid favoring one child over the other you know I'd be like hang on a second I've never had children so I'm not entirely sure I'm in a position so on said that you know I can tell you what I think but I wouldn't you know that's that's a lot to ask um Liz hinted at this and I think the other thing that really stands out about this novel is every everything I've read about the Man Booker long list that singles this book out talks about genre and remarks on how rare it is for a thriller to be nominated for a prestigious literary prize and I wonder if Jonah is something that you even think about in your work or the ways in which you think about it um when I write because I do write Francis II when I write fun to see I know I'm writing fantasy anything outside of that I kind of feel like you know I I know really um to be honest when I was writing my sister this I mean nobody has said it to me so it's just in my mind but when I was writing and I thought it was um I felt like you had in my mind he had a bit of like magical realism there's something about it that wasn't quite real um you know and I embraced that but nobody has said it to me so you know but um but I didn't think of it as a crime and I didn't really think of it as I mean now when I look when I'm forced to pick a genre I usually say it's works and to take a step back for anyone who has not read the book yet can you tell us a little bit about I mean as much as it is about a serial killer it is also ultimately about two sisters can you tell us a little bit about the two sisters at the heart of this novel yeah just give us like the thumbnail sketch for anyone doesn't read them I think the two of them are really the the center of the story right yeah so the Sakura days the oldest sister and she's a nurse which is you know she's familiar with probably seen a little blood in the course of her career she's also she's also got a bit of OCD she's really meticulous very efficient doesn't have a lot of friends or really any you know doesn't consider herself to be attractive and is sort of the person who's holding her home together I allow on the other hand is very beautiful capricious she's free-spirited everybody loves her but she also happens to be a serial killer she does um and you know small detail and and some of her victims write her poetry could you read this passage for us from early and a novel and keep some in there Femi wrote her a poem she can remember the poem but she cannot remember his last name I dare you to find a flaw in her beauty or to bring forth a woman who can stand beside her without wilting and he gave it to her written on a piece of paper folded twice reminiscent of our secondary school days when kids would pass love notes to one another in the back row of classrooms she was moved by all this but then I Allah is always moved by the worship of her merits and so she agreed to be his woman on their one-month anniversary she stabbed him in the bathroom of his apartment she didn't mean so of course he was angry screaming at her his onion stained breath cuts against her face but why was she carrying the knife the knife was for her protection you never knew with men they wanted what they wanted when they wanted it she didn't mean to kill him she wanted to warn him off but he wasn't scared of her weapon he was over six feet tall and she must have looked like a doll to him with her small frame long eyelashes and rosy full lips her description not mine she killed him on the first strike a jab straight to the heart but then she stabbed him twice more to be sure he sank to the floor she could hear her own breathing and nothing else thank you for eating that um and this novel grew out of a poem as I understand it can you tell us a little bit about where the initial spark for this story came from and and how you sort of followed it and eventually how did it turn into this book alright so um in 2007 I was reading up on the black widow spider and I um so I was I was reading over the fight so and I discovered for the first time that the female spider is a little bit bigger than the male spider and after they mate if she's hungry and the male spider is still hanging around she will eat him and I thought this was hilarious and so I immediately wrote a poem called black widow spider you know so after that poem I did another poem not too long after which was about the the traditional idea of the Black Widow this woman who you know marries men poisons them inherits their wealth you know and it was about two friends and you know the friend the friend is plain and she's the only one who knows that her friend is doing this thing she's the one with the secret and then as happens is in this novel ISM it's a man that that causes a problem between them so that was in 2007 so I kind of Nan again I would come to the idea of the Black Widow as a female and eventually you know when I was writing this novel because I at the time when I was writing this novel I was actually writing another another novel that year and it was gonna be the great novel and but it wasn't working out it was refusing to be great and so I thought okay you know I'll leave this and I'm gonna write something fun and something light-hearted and because I was already familiar with this idea of of the Black Widow it wasn't it was easy story to decide to write and in speaking of something fun and light-hearted right like I I love crime fiction and thrillers and like murder ebooks for lack of a better term but there is a really fine line to walk in making sure they're not just overwhelmingly dark and as you were reading that passage everyone laughed right this book is really funny and I wonder how intentional that was and sort of what response that gets from readers as you've been talking to people about it this was response cause I like it when people sort of told me that they loved it the most in a prudent have loft but I did and that's always fun to hear but I didn't it wasn't initially intentional that'd be funny I think I near was quirky maybe not so much funny but I didn't writing it I knew was gonna be dark and I didn't want to be submerged in darkness for the amount of time it would take me to write it so I was very matter-of-fact about it now my characters are very matter-of-fact about it and I think that it's this it's suppressing that expectation because we we read something and we we have an idea of how the characters should respond but then my characters go off or make pancakes or whatever and you're like in your mind you're like that's not quite right so I think that's why I ended up being funny yeah and especially you know the narrative voice right like there is there is a sense of remove there how intentional was it to have you know create a sort of like intentionally or was it intentional be like sort of very involved in what's happening but also disconnected from it at the same time it was very intentional I I wanted her to be a sort of observer as opposed to and she's not an active participant in the fact that in that she reacts to things that happen as opposed to you know being a catalyst so I I was very aware of that I wanted her to look at her sister from afar almost and you know be a witness to things as opposed to being it being directly her involvement in these things and I think at the time I was thinking quite a bit also weathering Heights because you know it's been told by people who are not active I mean she's more active in the plot than they are but it was it was that book and others like it that allowed me to know I could pull that off yeah I mean you're sort of left at the end wondering if she's complicit or guilty or both I'm not gonna make you answer because I know you don't you I've seen other interviews that you were like that's not mine to tell you which is fair and what makes it such a good read in a lot of ways um this book really is about these two sisters and the dynamic between them what for you is at the heart of the sort of tension because there is a lot of tension between the two of them like what where did that come from for them I think it might be just sisterhood you know I mean if if you have a sister you know you know how it is yes I understand you have at least one sister right yeah first my so the one the girl off to me she's two years younger than I am so I'm the eldest like cordeen she see as younger than I am and she um at first she blossomed under this sort of she was like yeah she you know she used me as inspiration and then after a while you know she wasn't having it anymore because she realized that people were people who knew us was you mean she was the sister like she was a serial killer sister and then she wasn't she didn't think it was funny anymore she's like you know I feel like I am the most reasonable of the three of us girls like I you know which I think she's probably right she's the least likely to commit that sort of crime so that's that's good that's great well let's actually talk a second for her about the mother in this book right because you actually just mentioned weathering Heights and more than anything the mom reminds me of mrs. Bennet right because she's just trying to get her daughter suitably matched like that's her number one goal and she also feels kind of detached from the reality that is unfolding around her and and and I wonder how you think of her as shaping that dynamic and relationship between the sisters right because as you said people are asking you like how do we avoid this scenario in our own family like what role did their mom having like how did that shape each of them as far as the marriage thing goes I think for me that was very she was easy character to write because nature so obsessed with marrying you off and you know basically if you're a woman of a certain age I you're not married like everybody in your environment is worried you know they're really concerned so she definitely was that for me but I think also you know what's interesting about her also is that she doesn't have Cory days the child that looks like her and she actually doesn't have much faith in Cody's ability to to get a man you know but I Allah who is this beautiful child that she has she's almost put all her eggs in that basket like okay this one's gonna marry she's gonna marry well and already having to deal with that and having to see that you know it's quite harrowing you know and she's I think just generally throughout their life that they always compared with one another and Cordy realizes early that actually her sister is very attractive and and quite different from her their mother is a widow as the story is unfolding and it's clear that their father was abusive and cruel though the full extent to that is never fully revealed on should we do we is it do you think of these women as victims in that sense yeah I think they definitely experienced a trauma and they're all responding to that trauma in different ways but it's hard to call them victims because of what they would know what they're getting up to but yeah definitely you know he played a huge part in in their in their psyche and not just I mean I think he traumatized them you know he was violent towards them but as far as Iola goes I think there's also just this idea of that she has of men in general and and this sort of to know what the world is now it evades me but you know she looks down on men quite a bit and I think also because from a very young age not even from her father but from other people she was getting very sexualized she was attracting that sort of attention speaking of the men in this book can you read another short passage for us who was he Femi I scribbled the name down we are in my bedroom aisle I sitting cross-legged on my sofa her head resting on the back of the cushion while she took a bath I said the dress she had been wearing on fire now she was a rose-colored t-shirt and smells of baby powder and his surname she frowns pressing her lips together and then she shakes her head as though trying to shake the name back into the forefront of her brain it doesn't come she shrugs I should have taken his wallet I closed the notebook in a small smaller than the palm of my hand I watched a TEDx video once where the man said that carrying around a notebook impending one happy moment each day had changed his life that is why I bought the notebook on the first page I wrote I saw a white owl through my bedroom window the notebook has been mostly empty since it's not my fault you know but I don't know I don't know what she's referring to but she means the inability to recall his surname or his death tell me what happened thank you so the men in this book right to what degree do they matter as individuals because you know they are they are not as solid as any of the women in the book and obviously in many cases they're the victims and it's sort of like this interesting dynamic for them I'd liked interesting power balance I think they matter you doesn't yeah I think I don't know how to answer that question is it's funny because I get a lot of a lot of people point out to me how you know what the men were like like oh the men were very shallow and the men were very this and the men were very that but my answer is always so when the women in the woman were in the in this book were also very shallow and you know also really poorly behaved Cory Day actually has a character she's drawn to the physical more than she realizes you know even when she's describing a cop she talks about his his muscles and you know and the way that he looks and as someone who's been the victim of people treating her negativity based on the way that she looks she still does the same to other people so it's it's just a mess if we're like oh I don't know it's but I think in some respect yes the men are their victims but they throw away as well because these women just don't care enough about them and the fact that they've done this to them they're yeah um I was interested when you mentioned earlier that that someone said something to you about the setting and that it kind of could have been anywhere right because I've seen other interviews you've done where you talked about the setting and how it influenced the way you structured the story and like even the choice of it being a knife that she uses right so can you tell us a little bit about whether you consider a lot of us to be like a character in the book or if it's it's just that the setting is really integral to the plot in some ways I think it's yeah I think it's integral to the plot setting in Nigeria made it very easy for me because I didn't have to worry so much about crime scene investigation stuff if you want to if you want to commit a murder and I chose a good place to do it I've you know so I mean having that sort of so they get away with stuff that maybe ordinarily somewhere else they wouldn't be able to get away with and it also allowed me to look at to look at that and look at material you know in that way like see what these women are doing but you guys are so concerned with marrying them off you know you know you're not quite seeing them for who you know her you know our love for who she is and you know also that it's an environment that's susceptible to corruption susceptible to bribery you know I have heard of crime is where it's just not like I remember once someone told me a friend of mine told me about someone who had died it had been a he had been they had been driving and it was an armed robbery or something like that and he you know and he was killed and so he was he went on to talk about how the people were coping family and friends and stuff so so was the and I thought hang on a minute like did they catch them you know and he was almost like huh I know what are we even talking about so I think you know it was definitely a good way for me to look at that and I almost initially I was a bit hesitant about doing it I in Nigeria cuz I haven't seen a story like this in Nigeria before and I wasn't sure if he would work out but I'm really glad that I did it there yeah the novel has a tremendous like sense of momentum and I wonder how you balanced your characters in the plot and sort of the that it's like the the sort of page-turner we were talking just before he came out about how each chapter is really short like each chapter is kind of a scene unto itself so how did how intentional was that structure and and how quickly did this go from like again a poem you had written some years before to being a published novel sanchin it was pretty quick how long yeah so like just the how did you come to the pacing yes of the book because it I found myself as I was reading it I would intentionally put it down and walk away because I didn't want to be done with it because I was enjoyed like I was enjoying it so much that I was like I don't read it too fast cuz then it's gonna be over and you're gonna be mad so you know I I just found it to be like really propulsive in that way and I wonder you also write a lot of short form work I wonder if you found that one sort of informed to the other yeah I'm starting to realize and come to terms with the fact that I write in a very feverish sort of I'm not a because I'm afraid I'm always afraid that I'm not gonna finish so I tried it out right myself you know I try to get it out before the panic sets in and that self-doubt sets in and you know I know that I'm fairly fast you know I type quite quickly so I try to go fast with this particular novel I think I am each chapter I wrote them on a separate Microsoft Word document so I didn't look I rarely even looked back at the story every chapter was its own and the head is you know I would title the chapter and then I would write and what was funny about it was after when we were editing I actually said the you know the editors I was like right let's take out the chapter headings like him you know cuz I didn't do them for them too so you know um and they were like no no no no no it's fine you can you know that wasn't actually my intention they were for me as the writer you know I didn't really think that they made sense enough to like you know stay on till the very end but so yeah it was intentional in that I wrote it like that but I didn't think that it would stay at least the headings would stay like that after after the fact so when I am as far as the how long it took it went pretty it went pretty quickly I because I think my agent signed me on in September and in October I had the first publishing deal so that was the October right after and by November the following year it was out that's fast you know you're just talking about like having to work so hard right like that idea of a writer sitting down and like trying to you know get it out fast before the down sets in right that's very relatable one and you know I wonder as you embark on this paperback tour how have you reconciled the work of being a writer with the public duties of being an author and and you know you're you're going to a bunch of cities you're paying and punning and you're sitting in front of crowds every night and and presenting your ideas and we're asking impossible questions of you um how are you how are those two things reconciling for you um when I was you know when I was young I think I knew I wanted to be an author by the time I was ten and then we didn't have social media so and you know there was some writers that I'd loved who I couldn't tell you what they looked like back then for the you know I remember hoping to meet any blyton and then seeing a show where they said they were given an award to her granddaughter and I'm like why I said granddaughter so old like I didn't realize she wasn't even you know alive anymore so I think you know having had that dream in a time when there was no social media and being an author now it's definitely because writing is such a solitary process I spend a lot of time in my room I'm not particularly social so it's a lot cuz like I'm surprised a people care what I think be that they you know that they want to know stuff about me you know sometimes I'm like what why does any of it even matter you know the book is its own beast let it do its thing but at the same time the support the overwhelming support like I could not you know I wouldn't give that up for anything just having people you know encourage me and tell me you know we hope you you know you continue writing we wish you the best in your career people saying they've sent the books to their sister and they've done you know they've just that connection again wasn't something anticipated but I'm really grateful for so it definitely has like knowing people want to know who I am is scary it really is but at the same time it's it's nice it's a nice way to connect with the people well speaking of social media the cover to this book launched like a million books to grams and you do work like that is literally how I first heard about it I was like what is this book that everyone is books to cramming right now and you know I understand you you've worked in graphic design you're an illustrator oh and did you have any involvement in the cover because it's a great cover and I know there are different versions of the cover right how involved were you I was not involved at least not with I was with the Nigerian cover but not with the I mean I get asked what I think and it's funny because this particular cover I did not like it at first you know because as a reader I'm not drawn to books that have people on the cover cuz I like to imagine what the character looks like it just messes with me like a negative way so I was just like I'm not you know why is it like why is their face or they're like I couldn't um but they were like no it's wonderful it's great and eventually has to be like okay find you to what like you guys know what you're doing and I'm and I'm glad I didn't like kick up a fuss about it cuz even the title actually was also not my idea that was my agent and I also didn't like it at first you know but again like I'm really glad that I trusted her what would what would you have picked dozens title I'm embarrassed to say no we're all friendly it's a very friendly okay so the working title was thicker than water so which is sounds really boring now compared to this one but um but yeah I thought I was be very coy and and intelligent with that I mean I still would've read it yeah I'm gonna ask one more question then we'll invite you guys up to the microphones there's one here and there as lit as Liz said earlier please make sure your questions are actually questions that would be great but I will ask what because I know someone if I don't what are you working on now I understood you have some short fiction your oh yes I've got two short stories are coming out the Sierra thing one in September one in October so I'm excited about those I am trying to I jump from story to story loss I'm trying to write a novel gonna have to see how that goes and as mentioned you're traveling a lot there's like every impediment in your way people want to make their way up I will keep asking questions as I have lots more is the other big question that I would have as we wrap this portion is what is what is the thing you hope people take away from reading this book like is there one thing that you're like that's what I want you to walk away with um so there were some themes you know especially one theme in particular when I was writing this book but I actually don't care like I want people to know okay that's all really bad but I don't mean it like that I want people to enjoy it like I think for some for most escape with it like have fun with it like it's not I wasn't trying to preach at anybody so if they do gain something from it cuz it's also not a book that answers any anything to be honest you know I explore things as opposed to necessarily giving you know the answer so you know it's up to it's up to the reader how much they want to receive you're not solving sibling dynamic no fun is an underrated characteristic and fiction more broadly and in really good literary fiction you know I think it's terribly underrated which is why I'm so excited that you're nominated Man Booker because like having a fun book nominated for a major literary prize is like the most exciting thing to happen so far this year yes I really enjoy reading your book I read it like three weeks ago and I just happened to go on to politics and prose website and notice that you're gonna be here today so I just had to bring my own copy and get it fine but I'm curious to know there's the care of the character who's in the coma and I don't want to give anything away but what kind of how did you decide I mean I understand the purpose of that character initially but kind of what what prompted you to continue that basically he wakes up so like he was he always planning to wake up like can you give us something give a little bit o rationale behind that if I'm completely honest I don't remember if he was always meant to wake up I think cuz writing I mean it's a good question because when I started I don't plot everything out so I like to have surprises as well and that may have been one of them but it's so long ago now I'm not sure but I do know that who he was outside of him waking up I didn't know starting out like he is you know as I was like okay he's you know he's this sort of gentleman and he he has you know this sort of family dynamic and you know who he was gonna be when he woke up I did I know the fact I didn't have that all figured out thank you hi I actually just started reading your book and I loved it so far I did have a question and actually she brought up another question I wanted to ask I actually two questions that that's okay so as I'm reading it they say no ma okay is that like no ma'am what does is that like a slang term that it's it's a similar to ma'am yeah yes that's what I thought okay and then also when you were writing the sisters you said that you kind of based the ones sister a little bit on your own sister would you say that Cordy I'm gonna her name I'm more based off of you or somebody else that you know so I didn't really base it I think the the sister dynamic I did draw some inspiration from my own citizens but in really based the characters on at least not consciously or no I am on either of us because if anything they're mishmash like I am the oldest sister but I'm way messier than like my girl who comes after me she's far more responsible than I am but she's the one she went for she did something in Niger called most beautiful girl in Niger so she's so she's the one who's who's seen to be you know more assertive so like I think it's if anything it's a mix of as opposed to oh that that characters like her and that characters like you yeah thank you thank you so I usually don't ask questions but I'm gonna ask I really enjoyed just to start I really enjoyed the book I read it yesterday literally because my coworker told me that they were reading it for their book club and I looked up and I saw that you were here and so if this were made into a movie have you talked about this already I just know but it's there is a potential for it to be me so please go on yes what would you what is the potential for it to be made into a movie and who would you see cast as these characters I know it's I'm thinking in terms of American so but obviously Nigerian okay so a working title optioned it in beginning of 2018 as far as who would accident I haven't really I don't dwell on it because I realized that that's not my like I know wouldn't start like getting my you know who stuff like oh it has to be this present and then they choose so a completely different and I'm like no you know I don't I don't yes are you the type of actor maybe you don't have to put any names out there type of actor I think definitely for Eyal on career day I think it would be nice not to choose someone we've seen too much of you know I I think it would be nice to have first to give a platform to more black actors but also to see someone coming to their own cuz I feel like when I cart is too familiar you're watching the actors opposed to the character and I has a really big person eyes he so be nice to see someone just yeah would you do a walk-on if they ask you yes great I didn't like it okay and then I put it down and the next night I couldn't put it down and so what I did what you did I didn't want to finish it because we're such a small book and I'd she'd said cuz she made me read it it's such a quick read but then I realized yes it is and I don't want to finish it that quickly so I kind of put it down every night yeah and last night I was like he has to be finished tonight but you even though it's very simple and you say you had no real message but I see that the men there because it's very hard like I'm not sure I read a book where the man is not the hero or the protagonist or like the one who somehow things sort of falling his favor so do you think perhaps do you intentionally sort of set it up that way where you have the men in that role that's not that they're not accustomed to being because most times it's the woman who I think always kind of falls in that sort of situation where she's not you know yeah it's it's interesting because I've asked a lot about intention and it's really embarrassing to to have to admit how little intention went into your work I think I mean when it comes to you know what you say about the men not being the hero the truth is in my work they rarely are you know it's not a new thing for me as as a writer you know I just I'm mostly I mean I'm not saying they never are but like I'm mostly drawn to women and to seeing women in interesting scenarios that's just my thing you know so I don't have to think too hard about it it comes very naturally to me no thank you hello hi thank you so much for the for the for the hook my family is also a is also West African okay so I like totally like it like the pressures out that like we put on the Oman the the eldest child so my question for you is um is what why why is it hitting you like go into detail about the father's death okay um I'm gonna embarrass myself again but um okay so I think it's partly you know for me it was it's partly about memory and about what you choose to remember so you know it there flashback so a lot of it is just what she's picked and what she's held on to and what she can even face in terms of what happened part of me a part of it is also I think I didn't want it to be a hundred percent Claire how he died even though I have my own theory as to how it took place but you know I you know I know I know people are like right that was their first kill or some people are like okay Corey day that was Corey days you know kill and I learned from Corey day I get a lot of different like theories about what went on and I'm I'm actually okay with that thank you thank you I'm Nigerian so I don't know how many other Nigerians
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